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Mk1 F4R/172'd Track Car Project [Year 3 - Engine and Chassis Rebuild]
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
They will make an appearance as soon as they have tyres again
Put it on axle stands while doing the engine and put the wheels on to see?
They will make an appearance as soon as they have tyres again
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
U gona be working on it on tuesday?
U gona be working on it on tuesday?
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
Well as im at NWperformance on tuesday i was gona pop round for a nosey
Cant wait to see it now its all been done
Well as im at NWperformance on tuesday i was gona pop round for a nosey
Cant wait to see it now its all been done
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
I might be popping down to get the tracking sorted if ive got everything else done and ready, if not il be doing it by eye for now and adjusting it on the day lol.
If not il be around most of the day I think
Well i aint drove it yet
Well as im at NWperformance on tuesday i was gona pop round for a nosey
Cant wait to see it now its all been done
I might be popping down to get the tracking sorted if ive got everything else done and ready, if not il be doing it by eye for now and adjusting it on the day lol.
If not il be around most of the day I think
Well i aint drove it yet
TVR Cerbera
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
Nowt changes then foxy, leaving everything till the last minute, lol
Nowt changes then foxy, leaving everything till the last minute, lol
Mk1 F4R
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
Thats good to hear mate, ill be round later to lend a hand
Thats good to hear mate, ill be round later to lend a hand
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
Well what a f*cking joke, I really have no idea why I bother with this car anymore.
A few hours ago, everything done and ready to go...
Went to start it up to take it for a little test to check the gear linkage etc, and back comes the game of lets not start and just keep cranking.
Wired the engine up this morning first thing, started first time. Started a further 15+ times after that throughout the day, on the key every time without issue. So I continued fitting everything else that was left, so it was 100% ready to drive. Then it just decides to not start? Absolutely f*cking unbelieveable.
Anyway - so checked all the fuses, all fine. Swapped all the relays, fine too. Then, I thought its just exactly what happened previously with the ECU/Emulator - So I borrowed a known working 172 ECU (From another Mk1 conversion), still nothing. Cranks and cranks and cranks and... you get the idea.
Decided to swap my emulator over to my spare, which is 100% known working after Andrew Cooke repaired it for me - still nothing. By this point quite some time has passed and its 10pm, fourth 12+ hour day in a row and Im just beginning to not give a f*ck.
Tried a brand new crank sensor, and rotated the ECUs - still nothing. Tried my spare known working coilpack, again nothing. Checked everything thats f*cking checkable, all the connectors/sensors/plugs - crank crank crank and just does not start. Oh, its getting fuel to the rail too, priming and cranking.
Gutted is a f*cking understatement - its times like this I wonder if it was acctually worth wasting 4 days trying to get the car built and ready, for it to just simply fail at the very last minute?
Well what a f*cking joke, I really have no idea why I bother with this car anymore.
A few hours ago, everything done and ready to go...
Went to start it up to take it for a little test to check the gear linkage etc, and back comes the game of lets not start and just keep cranking.
Wired the engine up this morning first thing, started first time. Started a further 15+ times after that throughout the day, on the key every time without issue. So I continued fitting everything else that was left, so it was 100% ready to drive. Then it just decides to not start? Absolutely f*cking unbelieveable.
Anyway - so checked all the fuses, all fine. Swapped all the relays, fine too. Then, I thought its just exactly what happened previously with the ECU/Emulator - So I borrowed a known working 172 ECU (From another Mk1 conversion), still nothing. Cranks and cranks and cranks and... you get the idea.
Decided to swap my emulator over to my spare, which is 100% known working after Andrew Cooke repaired it for me - still nothing. By this point quite some time has passed and its 10pm, fourth 12+ hour day in a row and Im just beginning to not give a f*ck.
Tried a brand new crank sensor, and rotated the ECUs - still nothing. Tried my spare known working coilpack, again nothing. Checked everything thats f*cking checkable, all the connectors/sensors/plugs - crank crank crank and just does not start. Oh, its getting fuel to the rail too, priming and cranking.
Gutted is a f*cking understatement - its times like this I wonder if it was acctually worth wasting 4 days trying to get the car built and ready, for it to just simply fail at the very last minute?
M
mini-valver
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
Are any cylinders sparking? Pulled a plug out, earth and crank etc?
Are any cylinders sparking? Pulled a plug out, earth and crank etc?
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
Didn't bother checking, but Im pretty sure there is no spark. IIRC from when I was wiring it up the coil pack and injectors run through the injector relay which unlocks then the ECU triggers it (pending immobiliser being deactivated)...I don't think the injectors are firing and in turn nor the coilpack... I tried the second coilpack (off a working car) to no avail...
At the end of the day it could be any of the 100+ wires that have been done, even though I checked ALL the joints before heatshrinking...all 100% new wire too - and its been running fine numerous times today. I really dont get it at all.
Didn't bother checking, but Im pretty sure there is no spark. IIRC from when I was wiring it up the coil pack and injectors run through the injector relay which unlocks then the ECU triggers it (pending immobiliser being deactivated)...I don't think the injectors are firing and in turn nor the coilpack... I tried the second coilpack (off a working car) to no avail...
At the end of the day it could be any of the 100+ wires that have been done, even though I checked ALL the joints before heatshrinking...all 100% new wire too - and its been running fine numerous times today. I really dont get it at all.
M
mini-valver
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
Remember when mine did it? f**king peice of s**t.
Remember when mine did it? f**king peice of s**t.
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
Yeah, this has done it about 5 times before too. Standard wiring / ECU = fu*king w*nk!
Last time it was the emulator, so a different one fixed it. Time before that it was an 'unknown', I used a different loom and it worked again for a bit. Sighhhhhhhhhhhh.
Yeah, this has done it about 5 times before too. Standard wiring / ECU = fu*king w*nk!
Last time it was the emulator, so a different one fixed it. Time before that it was an 'unknown', I used a different loom and it worked again for a bit. Sighhhhhhhhhhhh.
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
LOL.. Didn't you fix it, and not actually know what you did to fix?
LOL.. Didn't you fix it, and not actually know what you did to fix?
M
mini-valver
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
I pulled the VEMS loom to bits, found a break in a wire, a stuck relay and the pin to the coilpack connector pushed upwards. All at once. Woot? LOL!
I pulled the VEMS loom to bits, found a break in a wire, a stuck relay and the pin to the coilpack connector pushed upwards. All at once. Woot? LOL!
ITB'd MK1
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
sounds like an issue with the ecu power relay
sounds like an issue with the ecu power relay
R5 GTT EFI Clio.
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
Immob? - UCH?
Immob? - UCH?
R5 GTT EFI Clio.
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
Hmmm, Bad earth somewere?
Hmmm, Bad earth somewere?
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
Know how you feel I've had numerous issues with mine starting over the last few months. It's so frustrating been through a crank sensor and two starter motors.
Know how you feel I've had numerous issues with mine starting over the last few months. It's so frustrating been through a crank sensor and two starter motors.
ITB'd MK1
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
i think fuel pump prime is fired separately. See if it runs under cranking
i think fuel pump prime is fired separately. See if it runs under cranking
Martin_172
ClioSport Club Member
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
whats the chances of the new TDC sensor being faulty? slim chance but just remembers me of fault finding on a 1.2 16v that wouldnt run right at all, stuck a new coil pack on it and it still wouldnt run right then done plugs etc etc and eventually by chance tried ANOTHER new coil pack to find the first "new" one was faulty!
whats the chances of the new TDC sensor being faulty? slim chance but just remembers me of fault finding on a 1.2 16v that wouldnt run right at all, stuck a new coil pack on it and it still wouldnt run right then done plugs etc etc and eventually by chance tried ANOTHER new coil pack to find the first "new" one was faulty!
TrackCar & F30 330d
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
Oh dear, isnt Oulton today? Hope it randomly started for you this morning
Oh dear, isnt Oulton today? Hope it randomly started for you this morning
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
Believe it or not, I went out at 7am and it started first time - although it chugged to f*ck on idle and just didnt seem to want to run properly. Took it round the block and something just didnt feel right, so I didnt take it to oulton. Didnt want to get there and it not start again meaning id wasted a day...just went up as a passenger for the day instead.
As above it started first time, and just started again when I got home. Random as f*ck but I dont trust it at all now, I need to find out what caused it and what the problem is with the idle when initially starting up...
Believe it or not, I went out at 7am and it started first time - although it chugged to f*ck on idle and just didnt seem to want to run properly. Took it round the block and something just didnt feel right, so I didnt take it to oulton. Didnt want to get there and it not start again meaning id wasted a day...just went up as a passenger for the day instead.
As above it started first time, and just started again when I got home. Random as f*ck but I dont trust it at all now, I need to find out what caused it and what the problem is with the idle when initially starting up...
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
that's a pity, I hope you made the best of a bad day
that's a pity, I hope you made the best of a bad day
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
Yeah, they're on - all seem fine!
Starting issue lies with wiring somewhere IMO, like it started dozens of times yesterday and then all of a sudden 10 mins later it would not start...then its fired up 3/4 times today without an issue - so so wierd.
Yeah, they're on - all seem fine!
Starting issue lies with wiring somewhere IMO, like it started dozens of times yesterday and then all of a sudden 10 mins later it would not start...then its fired up 3/4 times today without an issue - so so wierd.
wilky19
ClioSport Club Member
Leon FR 184
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
defiantly strange. if you want you can borrow my loom to see if it works with that(and test it for me lol). to see if its a problem with the loom, which it kind sounds like.
i know this is a long shot but have yo checked the interior loom to see if its a problem with that.
defiantly strange. if you want you can borrow my loom to see if it works with that(and test it for me lol). to see if its a problem with the loom, which it kind sounds like.
i know this is a long shot but have yo checked the interior loom to see if its a problem with that.
