Basic spec Renaultsport Clio Race Series

[imprezaworks]

Assuming its for people on here? And it's in the aid of fun etc? I can't speak for everyone but I'd say as forums go this one is the best trusted.

 

[Dan@SJM]

Ive not read all of the thread but...

What about set power-weight ratios? Class c (standard, inc suspension bar springs) upto 180/tonne. Class B (lighly modified, cams etc, non dampening adjustable coilovers etc) upto 200/tonne, then class A no holes barred (boost/itb's/no limits to weight saving) All in the same race, allowing everyone to compete in any spec car in their own class. Allows people to use the cars they use for track days etc.

 

[Fred@BTM]

because that just over complicates it! Just keep it a bog standard car with a cage etc, done, no huge sums of money involved

 

[Dan@SJM]

It's pretty similar to the Combe saloons then, that works well!

 

[imprezaworks]

Completely agree. People will be skint very quickly buying stuff. Simple ftw

 

[Dan@SJM]

Completely agree. People will be skint very quickly buying stuff. Simple ftw

But if they just have a few people in their class they're competing against, they don't have to go and blow money. The options there if they want it.

 

[imprezaworks]

But people will.

 

[Sam@NP]

If your worried about cheats make a rule up that you can swap cars with anyone at anytime.

What if someone bins your car?

How many people out side of CS would enter? What was the outcome of Mr Hunter's discussions yesterday?

 

[Fred@BTM]

car - £500-£3K

part of the rules is you HAVE to buy new shocks from Renault (£170 for all 4?)
ecu - must be stock, mapping do whatever as we all now it doesn't give you more than 3-5bhp peak
stock engine, but free exhaust/induction, stock intake must be retained, no manifold matching
springs - whatever, but must be available off the shelf - IE no custom stuff, so must be Eibach/cooksport etc marked
wheels - free
tyres - 1A or 1B no slicks

simple

 

[Dan@SJM]

But people will.

It's their choice then. But IMO power to weight ratios would mean more competitive racing.

 

[Fred@BTM]

but they can be fiddled too easily Dan

 

[Sam@NP]

car - £500-£3K

part of the rules is you HAVE to buy new shocks from Renault (£170 for all 4?)
ecu - must be stock, mapping do whatever as we all now it doesn't give you more than 3-5bhp peak
stock engine, but free exhaust/induction, stock intake must be retained, no manifold matching
springs - whatever, but must be available off the shelf - IE no custom stuff, so must be Eibach/cooksport etc marked
wheels - free
tyres - 1A or 1B no slicks

simple

Do you not think a set of Pilot sport Cups with massively overwhelm the standard suspension and it will just understeer everywhere.

 

[Adamm.]

car - £500-£3K

part of the rules is you HAVE to buy new shocks from Renault (£170 for all 4?)
ecu - must be stock, mapping do whatever as we all now it doesn't give you more than 3-5bhp peak
stock engine, but free exhaust/induction, stock intake must be retained, no manifold matching
springs - whatever, but must be available off the shelf - IE no custom stuff, so must be Eibach/cooksport etc marked
wheels - free
tyres - 1A or 1B no slicks

simple

Sounds like a good idea to me I'm sure plenty will be interested after a while and seeing others doing it.

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

Come to think of it, my mate just said about brakes?
Mainly brake fade

set of decent pads and better brake fluids permitted?

 

[Adam G]

Come to think of it, my mate just said about brakes?
Mainly brake fade

set of decent pads and better brake fluids permitted?

Std calipers but discs, pads and fluid free choice.

 

[Adam G]

So in typical CS fashion, loads of people want to chuck endless amounts of cash at their car. :banghead:

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

Std calipers but discs, pads and fluid free choice.

that what i was thinking.

 

[imprezaworks]

And over complicate things too lol.

 

[Sam@NP]

In all seriousness, read some regs of any championship. They are far from simple.

 

[msa197]

Was talk of making cars still road legal to keep cost of transport low!

 

[Adam G]

In all seriousness, read some regs of any championship. They are far from simple.

Sam I totally get where you're coming from but this idea has come up, from the idea of keeping it as simple and therefore as cost effective as possible. The more simple it's kept, then the more pointless it is to splash the cash at it. We all know that 9 times out of then, the winner is the one with most cash.
We are toying with the idea of running in the same race as French Trophy but with a smaller initial setup cost.

 

[adam1942]

Would it not be easier to just dyno the top three of every race at the same time and if any one car stands out by say 5% then move people up the grid as required??

 

[Sam@NP]

Sam I totally get where you're coming from but this idea has come up, from the idea of keeping it as simple and therefore as cost effective as possible. The more simple it's kept, then the more pointless it is to splash the cash at it. We all know that 9 times out of then, the winner is the one with most cash.
We are toying with the idea of running in the same race as French Trophy but with a smaller initial setup cost.

I understand that and the whole premise, if standard suspension is going to remain I'd strongly suggest sticking to a pure road tyre, something like list 1a proper. Track tyres, standard suspension and a 15 minutes competition race if not the best idea.

There is more to writing a set of regs than people think, balance of performance, wording, correct information etc.

 

[sbridgey]

I used to run Federal RSR's on completely stock suspension. That went pretty well.

 

[Nick172Cup]

I'd be a fan of premium road tyres tbh, at least if they get ruined it cheaper than ruining cut slick outer shoulders every session which will cost a fortune.

Only downside to this is in reality this class will be tragically slow in comparison to what's currently running in the French Track Attack, so you'll probably spend more time being a back marker and not actually racing, especially if it doubles the amount of cars on the grid currently.

 

[Sam@NP]

I used to run Federal RSR's on completely stock suspension. That went pretty well.

​I'm pretty sure they are list 1a.

 

[Adam G]

Surely road tyres would go off far quicker than track ones. I'd be much more comfortable on 1Bs.

 

[DannyR]

I don't think anyone has mentioned licences yet?

Would we not all need to have some kind of race licence to race? I'd imagine so for insurance purposes etc...

 

[Sam@NP]

Surely road tyres would go off far quicker than track ones. I'd be much more comfortable on 1Bs.

Not necessarily. Standard suspension and 1b blehhhh pilot sport cups were the absolute limit for my Sachs

 

[Daniel]

I don't think anyone has mentioned licences yet?

Would we not all need to have some kind of race licence to race? I'd imagine so for insurance purposes etc...

Of course you would. You'd also need a helmet and a suit.

I assume its not been mentioned because that's pretty basic stuff... ;-)

 

[Adam G]

I don't think anyone has mentioned licences yet?

Would we not all need to have some kind of race licence to race? I'd imagine so for insurance purposes etc...

National B, helmet, suit, gloves and boots. Car + cage and necessary safety eqpt. about £2-3000 to get race ready as a rough figure depending on what we have to start with.

​I'm pretty sure they are list 1a.

RSRs are 1B, SS are 1A

Not necessarily. Standard suspension and 1b blehhhh pilot sport cups were the absolute limit for my Sachs

Rest my case lol. Doubt many would be on them.

 

[Sam@NP]

they are on a par with Dunlops and R888s and bar in mind sachs are much better piece of kit than a 172 shock

 

[Daniel]

T1R's! Castle Combe saloons used to run with them and at under 30 quid a tyre in 15s they're mega cheap.

Meh wtf do I know. If all this goes ahead and I like the rules I'll just do what I'm told.

 

[Sam@NP]

T1R's! Castle Combe saloons used to run with them and at under 30 quid a tyre in 15s they're mega cheap.

Meh wtf do I know. If all this goes ahead and I like the rules I'll just do what I'm told.

this or Uniroyale rainsports. Fun Cup series runs them, saying that everyone shaves them down to 2mm lol

 

[Daniel]

Ahh yes, I remember him saying they used to get shaved. Stops the tread moving about when they get hot iirc?

 

[Sam@NP]

Ahh yes, I remember him saying they used to get shaved. Stops the tread moving about when they get hot iirc?

Yeah, its quite gutting taking some brand new tyres and removing all the tread.

 

[Adam G]

Think I'll be on remoulds.

 

[sbridgey]

​I'm pretty sure they are list 1a.

Nah they are 1b.

 

[shiftspark]

What if someone bins your car?

How many people out side of CS would enter? What was the outcome of Mr Hunter's discussions yesterday?

To keep, stops people spending.

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[Sam@NP]

To keep, stops people spending.

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​eh?