The Southwest monthly big meet at Exeter - 2nd friday of the month - 8:30pm

Alexiooo · May 18, 2013

Just a quick note to local people, Mid Devon Cruise is happening this afternoon at 4pm.

Tiverton High School. Should be good to meet people. More info available here:

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=696760

plymcl172 · May 30, 2013

I found a hair in my split splitter which means 1 thing- ED200 and Mcgherkin know what I mean lol

BoatNonce · May 30, 2013

LOL.

plymcl172 · May 30, 2013

McGherkin said:
LOL.

ha ha love it !!

Ed.200 · May 30, 2013

Shame mate, how bad the damage? Just a hairline crack

BoatNonce · May 30, 2013

How's your exhaust?

By the way folks, the next date is the 14th of June

Ed.200 · May 31, 2013

Patched it up again, but the seal is still not great, and the hot gasses still escape, so it needs to be redone every month or so. Options are either live with it, and just redo it before MOT again, have a special pipe made up, or see if welding it shut will work.
Or get a proper cat back system, or decat system.

The Fatty · May 31, 2013

Ed.200 said:
Patched it up again, but the seal is still not great, and the hot gasses still escape, so it needs to be redone every month or so. Options are either live with it, and just redo it before MOT again, have a special pipe made up, or see if welding it shut will work.
Or get a proper cat back system, or decat system.

take some pics, might be able to suggest something if I can see it.

Ed.200 · May 31, 2013

Yeh will do tomorrow, will get the jack out and see if I can get some decent pics.

l33th3tr33 · May 31, 2013

Wish I could come

Would be good to meet some people who understand why I'm so anal about my car!

BoatNonce · May 31, 2013

Well come then

l33th3tr33 · May 31, 2013

McGherkin said:
Well come then

I've not passed my test yet haha Got it booked for next month.

Dan@SJM · May 31, 2013

Ed, could you re-PM me what you wrote, I've just remembered you pm'd and I've had a clear out

Ed.200 · May 31, 2013

That's fine Dan, I'm sure it gets pretty filled. That was about the 'box but after a long run and abit of thrashing around the a303 roundabouts it seems to be ok now. Had it booked in with my local dealer to check it anyway and seems fine, apparently.

This should be probably go in its own thread but I cba lol

This is with the clamp removed. You can see the soot where there is a small gap, literally tiny, but gets exploited by the hot gases. There was some exhaust wrap, a bandage type stuff with foil and wire. But that just disintegrated, and came off when I removed the clamp. It had also started to burn and had marks where it itself was coming into contact with the hot gasses. There was also some putty type stuff over the join as well, the stuff that is meant to seal and dry as the exhaust warms. But that has disintegrated as well.

It is only the second join that seems to be in the issue. The first seems to have sealed fine.

I want an akra system

haha

plymcl172 · May 31, 2013

Ed.200 said:
Shame mate, how bad the damage? Just a hairline crack

yep a hareline crack it is, don't think you can repair them, oh well nothing I can do now :dapprove:

Dan@SJM · May 31, 2013

I'm sure I can deal with that. Drop me a text if you have my number?

Ed.200 · May 31, 2013

Maybe I should make it more of a challenge for you then haha

Will be passing you on Monday, but I appreciate that is short notice. Will be going past again in about 2 weeks on my way home again, so will sort something out. It's not a massive problem, just one of those things that once you notice it, you can't then ignore it.

@plymcl - could trying fixing / glueing it from behind, so from the front in the looks like one?

BoatNonce · May 31, 2013

l33th3tr33 said:
I've not passed my test yet haha Got it booked for next month.

And you've got a 172 as your first car? FFS I've still got a 1.2.

plymcl172 said:
yep a hareline crack it is

I see what you did there

l33th3tr33 · May 31, 2013

McGherkin said:
And you've got a 172 as your first car? FFS I've still got a 1.2.

I see what you did there

And insurance is under a grand, no parents added, no cheating whatsoever. I don't know why all the kids these days pay thousands for little engines cars, it's insane!

BoatNonce · May 31, 2013

Please don't, I'm paying 1300 ATM. (Although that's because I renewed while an insurance claim was ongoing, so when it finally settles I'll be refunded.

Dan@SJM · May 31, 2013

Ed.200 said:
Maybe I should make it more of a challenge for you then haha
Will be passing you on Monday, but I appreciate that is short notice. Will be going past again in about 2 weeks on my way home again, so will sort something out. It's not a massive problem, just one of those things that once you notice it, you can't then ignore it.

@plymcl - could trying fixing / glueing it from behind, so from the front in the looks like one?

Monday isn't an issue, I've got a few things in but I'm sure I can accommodate

Benjibrady · Jun 1, 2013

If the next ones on the 14th I'd be up for a 'hello'. Any chance of a drive for some photos?

BoatNonce · Jun 1, 2013

Should be popping down to Exmouth for this one, tried to get some pics in a carpark last time but it was closed so we're up for trying again to get some pics

The Fatty · Jun 1, 2013

anyone up for meeting earlier and go for pics first whilst its still daylight?

Alexiooo · Jun 2, 2013

The Fatty said:
anyone up for meeting earlier and go for pics first whilst its still daylight?

I'm game. I finish work at 6pm so will be easier for me as I will already be in Exeter!

plymcl172 · Jun 2, 2013

will be good to meet some new faces and people! its June ffs and we haven't even been too Exmouth yet.... we better this time lol

ok thanks Ed I don't see what you mean but maybe you could show me I know you are good with...... glue lol

as Cal said earlier the next meet is the 14th June

Ed.200 · Jun 2, 2013

@ Dan - you legend, will give you a ring when I leave home, will take 2.5 - 3 hours to get to you. If there is a time that suits better, then let me know and will do my best to get there for then.

@ fatty - yeh im up for that, or me meet and eat earlier and quicker.

@ plymcl - will explain when you can see what im talking about

The Fatty · Jun 2, 2013

Ed.200 said:
That's fine Dan, I'm sure it gets pretty filled. That was about the 'box but after a long run and abit of thrashing around the a303 roundabouts it seems to be ok now. Had it booked in with my local dealer to check it anyway and seems fine, apparently.

This should be probably go in its own thread but I cba lol

This is with the clamp removed. You can see the soot where there is a small gap, literally tiny, but gets exploited by the hot gases. There was some exhaust wrap, a bandage type stuff with foil and wire. But that just disintegrated, and came off when I removed the clamp. It had also started to burn and had marks where it itself was coming into contact with the hot gasses. There was also some putty type stuff over the join as well, the stuff that is meant to seal and dry as the exhaust warms. But that has disintegrated as well.

It is only the second join that seems to be in the issue. The first seems to have sealed fine.

I want an akra system haha

I would be putting some exhaust assembly paste around the join sealing the gaps, then some aluminium exhaust tape on that and then bind it with some exhaust repair bandage. Then a decent wide clamp. It wont leak then

Richy182. · Jun 2, 2013

I'm up for meeting earlier

Dan@SJM · Jun 2, 2013

The Fatty said:
I would be putting some exhaust assembly paste around the join sealing the gaps, then some aluminium exhaust tape on that and then bind it with some exhaust repair bandage. Then a decent wide clamp. It wont leak then

Exhaust paste is hideous stuff.

Chip-mk1 · Jun 3, 2013

Dan@SJM said:
Exhaust paste is hideous stuff.

Agreed. I prefer black silicone for joints. Amazing it takes the temps but somehow it does.

that joint above though, being a slip joint with no flanges, even if the pipe is in good condition will be hard to seal 100% and if its dented and damaged its impossible. Should be a crush ring ideally like the manifold to cat or at least a flange.
So its a bit compromised by design imho

Alexiooo · Jun 3, 2013

Might bring along some bottles of that wonder wheels stuff everyone is banging on about if anyone fancies buying some off me...

The Fatty · Jun 4, 2013

Alexiooo said:
Might bring along some bottles of that wonder wheels stuff everyone is banging on about if anyone fancies buying some off me...

how much and where did you get it from? Do they have it in Barnstaple tescos?

The Fatty · Jun 4, 2013

Dan@SJM said:
Exhaust paste is hideous stuff.

Chip-mk1 said:
Agreed. I prefer black silicone for joints. Amazing it takes the temps but somehow it does.

that joint above though, being a slip joint with no flanges, even if the pipe is in good condition will be hard to seal 100% and if its dented and damaged its impossible. Should be a crush ring ideally like the manifold to cat or at least a flange.
So its a bit compromised by design imho

This is the exhaust paste I use, never had any problem with it (so far). It goes on like a sealant:

http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/..._productId_164909_langId_-1_categoryId_255217

BoatNonce · Jun 4, 2013

Looks like I'm going to get some silicone for this heat shield then.

Chip-mk1 · Jun 4, 2013

The Fatty said:
This is the exhaust paste I use, never had any problem with it (so far). It goes on like a sealant:
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/..._productId_164909_langId_-1_categoryId_255217

Thats the stuff that normally goes brittle and cracks IME. Although they might have changed the recipe as Ive not used it for years.

Alexiooo · Jun 4, 2013

The Fatty said:
how much and where did you get it from? Do they have it in Barnstaple tescos?

Got it from Tiverton Tesco's, however, I always buy everything they've got So it's unlikely that they will ever have any going spare! Happy to sell you some for a few quid each.

Ed.200 · Jun 4, 2013

@ fatty, thats the stuff I got, just as I was passing a halfords and it was annoying me. Put it on it set, then went to hard, become brittle and just flaked off. Needs to be more silicon / gum bassed, so it can deal with any expansion / contraction in the joint.

It may work better if its applied correctly, but it's not an easy joint to get to, or seal properly.

@ chip, yeh not the best way of doing the joint, could / should have been done better but honestly, the best mod for the £40 or so it may have cost.

The Fatty · Jun 4, 2013

Ed.200 said:
@ fatty, thats the stuff I got, just as I was passing a halfords and it was annoying me. Put it on it set, then went to hard, become brittle and just flaked off. Needs to be more silicon / gum bassed, so it can deal with any expansion / contraction in the joint.

It may work better if its applied correctly, but it's not an easy joint to get to, or seal properly.

did you try wrapping it in the silver tape? i.e. firegum on the inner pipe, put into the outer pipe, more firegum around the edges (fill the gaps), then the aluminium exhaust tape?

failing that, what about some sort of very high heat epoxy?

Dan@SJM · Jun 5, 2013

Don't do that, it'll still leak. A decent clamp with some decent silicone and it will be fine. No point in Bodging it with stuff like that.

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