sburrell's ph1 172 track project (maybe)

[sburrell93]

It's great fun bud! if you've got time and the space it's great. If you need any help look at my progress thread (actually it's not that indepth as I forget to take pics)

But yeah just holla if you need any help, as I have just finished re shelling my ph1 into my 182 :smile:

Good luck

Cheers mate, I'll have a look!

Hoping it all goes smoothly. A lot of the difficult work has been done already on this shell so I'm hoping it's really just a case of swapping over my engine etc. then whatever needs transferred interior wise, but it'll be getting done in a very small garage and/or outside, so that'll be a nice challenge through the winter 😂

 

[sburrell93]

Had the car on the rolling road again at the weekend. Made 141hp at the wheels which is an estimated 167hp ATF. Injectors were running 99.9% duty cycle at the top end so was told it would benefit from being leaned out a bit. Not sure if it's really worth it, but I do wish it pulled better right up to the red line instead of tailing off.

Also got it weighed, which now seems a bit pointless since it's getting reshelled over winter but it was booked already and I was curious.

That's 1047kg with me in it and half a tank of fuel. Was 979kg without me. Had no passenger seat in that day but it's a good figure IMO considering I still have A/C, all glass windows, steel bonnet, standard battery, headlining and tar on the roof, front door cards and everything behind them, a load of shite lying in the car, and a full dash. A decent set of lightweight wheels might've seen a few kg less per corner too.

Hopefully removing the A/C, fitting the ali bonnet, a lightweight battery, and the lack of lower dash or any door cards/skins in the new shell will cancel out the weight of the full cage in it and I'll stay around the same figure for next year!

 

[rctempire]

Ahh the PIE oils.
Looks good Stuart, figures are good too.

 

[Djw John]

The injectors shouldn't be anywhere near 99.9% duty cycle, they're good for 200 odd from memory, odd!

Edit - hold on, you got it mapped locally didn't you?

 

[sburrell93]

The injectors shouldn't be anywhere near 99.9% duty cycle, they're good for 200 odd from memory, odd!

Edit - hold on, you got it mapped locally didn't you?

That's a good point actually, can run itb's on standard injectors can't you?

Never been mapped in my ownership. Wonder if it has been previously...

Or could it be running s**t injectors?

 

[Djw John]

Yeah you can.
Whats the limiter at? Maybe it is, maybe they were wrong about the duty cycle...

 

[sburrell93]

Yeah you can.
Whats the limiter at? Maybe it is, maybe they were wrong about the duty cycle...

6800 cold and low 7's when warm so seems standard. The graphs I saw read 99.9% both runs at the top end. Does seem strange now you've mentioned it.

 

[CallyTeee]

What bhp did you run at SOS in Falkirk?

 

[cpaterson76]

That's a good point actually, can run itb's on standard injectors can't you?


I'm running ITBs on standard injectors.....
Never been mapped in my ownership. Wonder if it has been previously...

Or could it be running s**t injectors?

 

[cpaterson76]

I'm running itbs on standard injectors and they are coping fine, fueling seems good, well it drinks the stuff!!

 

[sburrell93]

What bhp did you run at SOS in Falkirk?

167hp lol. I'm not sure if that's coincidental or it shows two very accurate sets of rollers!

I'm running itbs on standard injectors and they are coping fine, fueling seems good, well it drinks the stuff!!

Hmm, seems strange mine are maxed out then if you're managing fine with them on itbs!

 

[sburrell93]

New shell is officially on its way home!

 

[Djw John]

 

[sburrell93]

Don't worry I'll take good care building it up!







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And then thrash the life out it round knockhill.

 

[sburrell93]

Had the past couple of days off work and had hoped to get fired rights into this but the weather is putting a stop to that 😞

I managed the huge task of cleaning up the engine bay a bit 😂

Hopefully get more progress on it over the Christmas break. Next job is to remove all the subframe etc and give that a lick of paint, probably in some lairy colour. Then get the wings off and repaint the bay.

Once it's all clean the proper mechanical work can begin.

 

[Djw John]

That's a good sized garage.

Also, tart.

 

[sburrell93]

That's a good sized garage.

Also, tart.

Aye it's not a bad garage. Hopefully get a lot of work done in there and roll it out when it comes time to put the engine in! Once I get past tarting it up...

 

[Fraser.J.]

Paint = weight.

 

[cpaterson76]

I take it everything silver from your is replacing the red ....... ?

Ps @Fraser.J. That's not an excuse to leave your new boot white 🙈 get it painted!!

 

[sburrell93]

Paint = weight.

Still won't add up to the 20kg you have on me in body weight [emoji8]

 

[Fraser.J.]

Still won't add up to the 20kg you have on me in body weight [emoji8]

What about all the extra cage you have [emoji23]

Also that 20kg is definitely my balls [emoji57]

 

[sburrell93]

I take it everything silver from your is replacing the red ....... ?

Ps @Fraser.J. That's not an excuse to leave your new boot white 🙈 get it painted!!

I haven't decided yet lol! I like the red, but it would be less hassle to swap all the panels and keep it silver

 

[sburrell93]

What about all the extra cage you have [emoji23]

Also that 20kg is definitely my balls [emoji57]

Well, that too... With the amount of cage in there some paint is the least of my worries [emoji23]

 

[cpaterson76]

I haven't decided yet lol! I like the red, but it would be less hassle to swap all the panels and keep it silver

And cheaper, unless you want silver quarters n roof:grin:...... The red is very nice though!!

 

[sburrell93]

And cheaper, unless you want silver quarters n roof:grin:...... The red is very nice though!!

The fact I'll have to use the red bumper anyway (silver one's ruined after my deer incident!) is swaying me more and more towards painting it all red, but that's all money I could spend on trackdays! I'll stick to getting it running for now I think lol.

 

[Djw John]

As we said, we planned to paint the quarters and vinyl the roof, wouldn't cost much at all

 

[sburrell93]

Progress!

Dropped the subframe out today. Lowering that myself was an experience to say the least! Had it balanced on 2 jacks as I removed the bolts.

So now that's off its heading back home with me to get stripped down, cleaned up and painted. Not decided on colours yet.

P.s. @Djw Dave @Djw John I love the pair of you for using new subframe bolts on this. They were so easy to remove 😂

 

[barnesautos]

Had the car on the rolling road again at the weekend. Made 141hp at the wheels which is an estimated 167hp ATF. Injectors were running 99.9% duty cycle at the top end so was told it would benefit from being leaned out a bit. Not sure if it's really worth it, but I do wish it pulled better right up to the red line instead of tailing off.

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Also got it weighed, which now seems a bit pointless since it's getting reshelled over winter but it was booked already and I was curious.

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That's 1047kg with me in it and half a tank of fuel. Was 979kg without me. Had no passenger seat in that day but it's a good figure IMO considering I still have A/C, all glass windows, steel bonnet, standard battery, headlining and tar on the roof, front door cards and everything behind them, a load of shite lying in the car, and a full dash. A decent set of lightweight wheels might've seen a few kg less per corner too.

Hopefully removing the A/C, fitting the ali bonnet, a lightweight battery, and the lack of lower dash or any door cards/skins in the new shell will cancel out the weight of the full cage in it and I'll stay around the same figure for next year!

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[Rubicon_]

Nice shell! I'd paint as much as you can just now as I wish I'd done a bit more now seeing rusty parts coming through in the engine bay

 

[Mash.]

For future reference with the subframe, put a plank of wood stretching across the middle of the subframe the the jack in the middle, easy to do on your own etc

Glad you got another ph1 to replace the ph1.

 

[sburrell93]

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Not for long though this will be scrap once everything is swapped over!

Nice shell! I'd paint as much as you can just now as I wish I'd done a bit more now seeing rusty parts coming through in the engine bay

Yeah, that's the plan anyway. Avoiding powdercoating anything though because if I do one thing I'll want loads of bits done. Cans of paint are cheaper [emoji23]

For future reference with the subframe, put a plank of wood stretching across the middle of the subframe the the jack in the middle, easy to do on your own etc

Glad you got another ph1 to replace the ph1.

Didn't even think about that! Didn't have a plank of wood at the time either to be fair though lol.

It actually started out life as a 182 shell. Had a ph1 front end put on it and most stuff swapped to suit a ph1. Its now just some weird hybrid of every clio ever!

 

[Fraserb]

The fact I'll have to use the red bumper anyway (silver one's ruined after my deer incident!) is swaying me more and more towards painting it all red, but that's all money I could spend on trackdays! I'll stick to getting it running for now I think lol.

I'll get your bumper sprayed professionally and for a good price if you want mate, let me know and I'll put you in touch with my mate

 

[Djw Dave]

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New shell is officially on its way home!

A sad day indeed.

Progress!
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Dropped the subframe out today. Lowering that myself was an experience to say the least! Had it balanced on 2 jacks as I removed the bolts.
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So now that's off its heading back home with me to get stripped down, cleaned up and painted. Not decided on colours yet.

P.s. @Djw Dave @Djw John I love the pair of you for using new subframe bolts on this. They were so easy to remove 😂

You'll find a lot of new nuts and bolts dotted around that shell haha

Enjoy it Stu

 

[sburrell93]

I'll get your bumper sprayed professionally and for a good price if you want mate, let me know and I'll put you in touch with my mate

Cheers mate, I'll keep that in mind! Might end up being the two rear quarters that need painted though depending what colour I go with it 🙈

 

[sburrell93]

Not much to update. I gave the subframe a going over with a wire brush to remove some of the rust so it looks a bit better once painted. Will probably still Hammerite it though to save any hassle.

Will give that a lick of paint in the next couple of days if I get time, along with the wishbones and ARB. Then get the engine bay painted and the real work can begin.

 

[sburrell93]

In fact, before I go about painting the subframe, I'm considering getting the wishbone mounts rewelded and drilled further out to increase track width/camber. Basically to what a cup subframe would be.

Has anyone actually done this before? I've seen it talked about but nothing more than that.

 

[GrahamS]

Brilliant idea to do a shall swap. I'd be tempted to do the same if a cup shell and cage came up one day. Would you not be better trying to buy a cup subframe? No-one ever buys parts like that so they much be cheap as chips. Postage would be the main killer.

I hammerited by dci subframe when I did widetrack and it's stood the test of time. Took a few coats to stop the metal showing though.

 

[sburrell93]

Brilliant idea to do a shall swap. I'd be tempted to do the same if a cup shell and cage came up one day. Would you not be better trying to buy a cup subframe? No-one ever buys parts like that so they much be cheap as chips. Postage would be the main killer.

I hammerited by dci subframe when I did widetrack and it's stood the test of time. Took a few coats to stop the metal showing though.

In theory yeah it would be easier to just buy a subframe, but I've not found any close by in ages and don't imagine anyone would post one. And also the fact this would be a nearly free modification lol.

Need to look into it a bit more but it doesn't sound too difficult to do so long as I'm careful with measurements!

Good to know the Hammerite will stand up to a bit of abuse. Not sure how it'll be after a few trips through the gravel on track though lol

 

[Fraser.J.]

f**k load of effort to gain 5mm, run a spacer.

 

[sburrell93]

f**k load of effort to gain 5mm, run a spacer.

It's for camber mainly, not spacing. I'm maxed out on the bolts and it's not really enough