197 or 1*2

[riz]

Have to Agree with Warren the Trophy is an all time great, whereas the 197 (at the moment ) is just a very good car, whether its better than a 182 tho'?

No issues with a 197 but i dont see it as alot better than a 182 if any.. hence why i wont be buying one in the next few months. For a 2.0 litre engine its MPG is shocking.... worse than a 3.0 BMW unit? It isnt any quicker than a 182 also. But i still think the 197 is a very good car.

 

[Iridium]

Yup, that's all absolutely fine, and I agree the Trophy is a very, very good car - but some people on here think the 182 Cup is better for example, and in Evo the 182 Cup did set a quicker lap time than the Trophy on their track. See I'd disagree with those people, as I think the Trophy is the pinnacle of the 182 range.

But as I said before, for me personally, I prefer the 197. The mpg is pretty poor, does seem to get better with miles, as does the power, just comparing a few very low milers I test drove compared to mine on 13k now - which does feel quite a bit perkier. Although the mpg is still only 27/28 average - but I do drive it pretty hard whenever it gets warm.

Wonder what the 197 Trophy will be like ?

Dan

 

[riz]

a 182 cup or a ff with cup packs in RB with turinis would be a close match for a 197. I just cant get over the fact on how poor the MPG is even on the newer 197 variants.

 

[MillerLight]

Imo 197. Shape is more grown up

all the V's

If Renault started to make the 182 again and the 197 was priced the same 90% of buyers would have the 197.

182 is great and was really great when it came out, but with arguably identical performance the 197 comfort and safety would win buyers over, making it the better car. Hence why Renault decided to ditch the 182 and built the 197 in the first place.

 

[Iridium]

Yea, mines the older gearbox, and as I say 27/28 average mainly driven pretty hard where possible. It does 30 on a run without much hassle, one guy on Clio197.net said he got 40 but tbh I don't beleive that. I reckon a steady run 35 is the best mine would do, without really taking the piss on driving slowly.

Dan

 

[Dan 172]

I loved my 172 and they are still excellent cars, but times have moved on.

Plus i'd rather have warranty

 

[Gaz_]

172/182 for me on looks.

yes if it was year 2000....... or 1997 when the shape came out in its first guise......

Interesting that on renaultsport there's a few people looking to trade 197's in for trophy's/182's. Main complaint (there words) "having to rev the tits off it just to keep up with normal cars".

For some strange reason you seem to have this mental block that the Trophy is majorly quicker than a 197, its simply not the case. As i've previously mentioned, i've had a 172 Cup, 182 Cup packed, and now the 197. I was fortunate last year to put my 182 (standard) against a mate in a standard 197. 197 had 6k on it, 182 20k. There was NOTHING in it, it was to whoever got on the loud pedal first. Yes the 197 needed stirring more, but out right pace was bang on.. Its time to move on....

May i point you to post 15 in this thread

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=348058

Marks hardly a shabby driver from all the vids etc posted....... Also just to add, i'd hardly call rexinatrophy loads of people

 

[Iridium]

Is rexinatrophy that guy who bragged about his school where he learned to loathe the working class? I'd suggest that nothing he's ever said is worth an ounce of dog s**t.

 

[Gaz_]

yup, proper strap-on

 

[SBV116]

Goth dude? lol!

 

[Gaz_]

He loved it!!!!! yhpm

 

[SBV116]

He loved it!!!!! yhpm

No i don't.....

 

[Gaz_]

look again tart!

 

[Karl197]

Definatly the 197....1*2's are looking dated now

 

[Henry]

prefer the look of the 197 - it's more cohesive. i've always thought the Mk2 looks like a car of two halves - front and rear don't match in my eyes

 

[TJB182]

I have a 182. But id rather a 197.

Having said that, if i could afford a 197 right now, i doubt id have one. Sick of the typical renault quality issues tbh.

 

[Iridium]

I have a 182. But id rather a 197.

Having said that, if i could afford a 197 right now, i doubt id have one. Sick of the typical renault quality issues tbh.

Yea fair call, I bet Renault have lost a fair few people for good with past quality issues. Although I must admit, I was surprised how well built the 197 was when I first got in it, and how nice the interior was. And mind is standing up very well to use - although I know a lot of people are having issues with the seats.

Dan

 

[Gaz_]

Mines fine, 20k no rattles or whatever, much better build/refinement

 

[Craigie-B15]

172 ph1

 

[Ian]

I'd take the old shape I'm afraid.. the new shape just isn't the Clio as I know it. For me it's not a case of not liking the mk3, it's just that I like the mk2.. how they handle, the balance of power etc. I'm sure the mk3 continues these traits, but it's lost it's uniqueness. I look at one and all I see is a generic example that could, with a little imagination, be the new model Peugeot, Vauxhall or Renault hatch. It's probably down to new safety regulations or something. I'm sure given the chance I'd prefer the increased road presence of the mk3.

I guess people were probably saying the same thing when the mk2 came out, but that's a bit before my time. I suppose you could also argue that the mk1 Clio resembled the Peugeot 106 and Ford Fiesta of similar age and that was still a good car.

End of the day they are both Renault and they are both Clios, nothing has changed drastically. Mk1s are getting rarer and given time so will the mk2, things move on, things change, but for now I'll spend my money on the mk2.

 

[.J.a.m.e.s.]

197 are s**t i hate them

 

[Jordi17]

197 are s**t i hate them

i wouldnt say they were s**t mate... far from i should think

 

[CabinFever]

197 are s**t i hate them

Not everyone can own a 1.6 16v Clio which is obviously the driving pinnacle!

 

[nihcuk]

172/182 for me at the moment. Havent seen a R27 on the road yet...It might change my mind

 

[Gaz_]

197 are s**t i hate them

You just carry on sticking 2.0 16V badges on your 1.6........

 

[sideways danny]

For me the 197 is just too heavy. The chassis is nothing short of amazing but performance wise I have to say I found it a little tame in the midrange. Still a really good car. Ph2 interior in a Ph1 would be about ideal for me

 

[cg172]

Hmm... Ideally I'd like to pay off the 172, then put in in the garage as a bit of a project to mess about with, and have a black 197 with the cup pack and Recaro's as a daily driver. I guess we'll find out in just over 2 years...

Suppose I could just buy a set of the recaro's to replace the fast vanishing alcantara in the 172...
Who's going to be the first to fit a set in a 1*2? Or have I missed the boat?

 

[Kneel]

haha, having just finished driving my dads civic for the last 2 months and getting back in the 197 every-one who says the car is gutless under 5k and that its not really that fast and blah blah blah have no idea. The car has enough grunt to pull up a steep hill in 6th gear from 30 mph, will accelerate from 30 to 40 in 6th in no time. Sure to get the best out of the car you need to rev it a bit but its no different in the 1*2, otherwise people wouldn't continuously go on about the '5k kick' now would they...

 

[tjhmortimer]

Ive owned both (172 FF and 197 FF) and im looking into getting another 1*2. Much more involved drive imo!!

 

[Alan]

197 are s**t i hate them

Well done mate...carry on..you'll go far with that attitude..

197 are s**t i hate them

Not everyone can own a 1.6 16v Clio which is obviously the driving pinnacle!

197 are s**t i hate them

You just carry on sticking 2.0 16V badges on your 1.6........

PMSL infvckindeed!!

 

[seb]

hi, did anyone know i like the 197? lol

even consdiering keeping this RS beyond 2 year... along as it doesn't become a chav chariot icon though. at least this one hasn't broken numerous times like the 182. i'd only be temtped with a change into a R27R

 

[Hayley]

197 are family cars i hate them

 

[Alan]

seb my 197 brother...i love your dirty mouf!!

 

[seb]

hi Alan, lets keep the class in this thread alive

but yeah, really can't see why i would sell the 197 at present... nothing comes near it in it's class for how it drives. only thing i may be up for changing to is the updated 197 whenver that is... considered a new mini Cooper S, but tbh, i ain't ghey looking enough

 

[Alan]

hi Alan, lets keep the class in this thread alive

but yeah, really can't see why i would sell the 197 at present... nothing comes near it in it's class for how it drives. only thing i may be up for changing to is the updated 197 whenver that is... considered a new mini Cooper S, but tbh, i ain't ghey looking enough

Pics to prove sweetie..x

 

[Munson]

If I was in the market for a Clio, the 197 would be it. As good fun as the 172s & 182s really really are, they're actually pretty s**t as complete cars by todays standards. 197 better than 182. Period

 

[seb]

check my cs dating profile... x

hmmm 197 in nimbus.... or red... both sexy as tbh. the only thing to make me sell it would be if my daily commute of 50 miles was increased.. but i have been seeing 32mpg over the tankfuls on my commute. so come on down sar197!!! i have humble pie to eat

 

[hopey-182]

would only consider selling my 182 for r27 in red. the only thing is i just dont like the interior dash etc as much as mine.

 

[alanc1000]

i love the 197 way more than the 182/172 - but you have to get the colour right. There are a couple of 197 colours that make it look a bit mundane, whereas the 182's look good in all colours i think.

 

[Tim(e)]

Lets settle this with a few choice photos....

Note the lack of 1*2 photos...

197 is where its at now....gotta face it and move with the times.

But by f**k does my car look good...pmsl