RS2 inlet

[sideways danny]

.........a short peak of torque like ITB's offer.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[TimR26]

Well said Nick.

I haven't driven one myself but even as a passenger you can tell there's a massive improvement in power delivery compared to standard.

 

[Sir_Dave]

Has one of these actually hit over 160 ft lb's yet? they might make 185-195bhp but seem to put out about 155 ft lb's which is yawntastically flat imo and barely better than stock?

Perhaps thats the torque limit for the valve springs

No point having a really high-bhp revvy engine that blows up as soon as you drive it hard.

Oh.

 

[Budgie]

PMSL.

As with everything, you need to experience something to be able to comment. Too many dickhead disciples on this forum jump on the bandwagon of what their Clio 'messiah' pals say.

 

[Dean.]

I had one for about 2 months. I then sold my car for a meg r26. Enough said really.

 

[Silent_Scone]

Everyone knows you don't get the same figures that you do from ITBS, and no it's not to save it from blowing up. A healthy fr4 should do between 160-170ftlbs on itbs, with or without cams.. The whole appeal of this kit is it bolts on, looks the part and you can retain pretty much everything. Which seems to tick the right boxes for a lot of folk on here

 

[Budgie]

Everyone knows you don't get the same figures that you do from ITBS, and no it's not to save it from blowing up. A healthy fr4 should do between 160-170ftlbs on itbs, with or without cams.. The whole appeal of this kit is it bolts on, looks the part and you can retain pretty much everything. Which seems to tick the right boxes for a lot of folk on here

Bingo. Having owned an ITB'd car done a few years ago by a certain trader on here, and having had a fair amount of experience with the RS2, I know where my money would be going.

 

[Kam.]

Even JMS say this so no-one should be thinking otherwise!

 

[p@blo]

I had one for about 2 months. I then sold my car for a meg r26. Enough said really.

Lol, kudos for that comment

 

[Nick172Cup]

I had one for about 2 months. I then sold my car for a meg r26. Enough said really.

Care to expand on that chap? Just curious...

 

[Dean.]

Sure...

Apart from the fact my car only made 179bhp/143ft/lb, the whole experience was a nightmare start to finish. car not being ready for mapping sessions even with plenty of notice given, car being up there for weeks at a time etc. nothing happened until i threatened to take it elsewhere to be fixed. the whole top of the engine needed rebuilding for some reason (The reason i got was swarf into the engine when they fitted the manifold), my brakes went due to a servo leak on the manifold.

And after all that i got charged over £500 to return the engine back to its normal state.

 

[Dean.]

Sure...

Apart from the fact my car only made 179bhp/143ft/lb, the whole experience was a nightmare start to finish. car not being ready for mapping sessions even with plenty of notice given, car being up there for weeks at a time etc. nothing happened until i threatened to take it elsewhere to be fixed. the whole top of the engine needed rebuilding for some reason (The reason i got was swarf into the engine when they fitted the manifold), my brakes went due to a servo leak on the manifold due to the injector bosses being glued in with araldite.

And after all that i got charged over £500 to return the engine back to its normal state.

 

[mr.pink87]

So you are the guy with the old inlet setup. That´s mainly why JMS revised it!? Sounds like a bad experience. Hope that everything is sorted now with the kit.

 

[p@blo]

Sure...

Apart from the fact my car only made 179bhp/143ft/lb, the whole experience was a nightmare start to finish. car not being ready for mapping sessions even with plenty of notice given, car being up there for weeks at a time etc. nothing happened until i threatened to take it elsewhere to be fixed. the whole top of the engine needed rebuilding for some reason (The reason i got was swarf into the engine when they fitted the manifold), my brakes went due to a servo leak on the manifold.

And after all that i got charged over £500 to return the engine back to its normal state.

Nightmare-so how much did those magical numbers set you back in total Dean?

What kind of graphical output is everyone else getting?

 

[Gouldy]

Just buy bodies and have done with it.

 

[Dean.]

Just the stated price mate (£1795 iirc) plus new ignition leads and spark plugs.

 

[mwn11]

Sure...

Apart from the fact my car only made 179bhp/143ft/lb, the whole experience was a nightmare start to finish. car not being ready for mapping sessions even with plenty of notice given, car being up there for weeks at a time etc. nothing happened until i threatened to take it elsewhere to be fixed. the whole top of the engine needed rebuilding for some reason (The reason i got was swarf into the engine when they fitted the manifold), my brakes went due to a servo leak on the manifold due to the injector bosses being glued in with araldite.

And after all that i got charged over £500 to return the engine back to its normal state.

Ouch. From everybody else all ive ever heard was amazing things? What did JMS have to say about things?

 

[p@blo]

That's a fair whack of cash for the end result. Ouch. :dapprove:

 

[Silent_Scone]

Dean. Had you a before and after per chance? Your car sounds broken from the off.

Not disputing your complaint btw, just seems poor figure even before a live run

 

[Gaz_]

ITB's from TDF or nothing for me. Not had any experience with the RS2, but for me thats where 'd put my hard earned wedge....

 

[Dean.]

Dean. Had you a before and after per chance? Your car sounds broken from the off.

Not disputing your complaint btw, just seems poor figure even before a live run

Yes. 170bhp and 150 ft/lb. RR'd @ TDF

Edit - the 143ft/lb and 179 was after mapping from RST.

 

[maupineda]

Was it any better to drive? did it felt different and faster, or the other way around?

I also wonder why there are no print outs after several people buying them when the first we all do is to show off the good stuff? I am truely interested in this kit as bodies seems to much (cutting the car is not my thing), but if it is a step back, then I won't bother.

 

[Laine_16v]

Lol! Your a bit of a 'billy' really, anyway as someone has said duration is better than a short peak of torque like ITB's offer.

Have you ever driven one also? Think you'll find that there's a few people on here that have ITB'd cars and have commented on how well the power is delivered, maybe you should start experiencing stuff before slating it instead of listening to some ex sandwich packer which thinks he's so amazing!

That sounds like the typical answer from an agitated modified car owner with a flat torque curve. Its pretty predictable, it will pull the same as a stock car but hold the torque for about 500rpm longer to make the peak figure.

Short peak torque of ITB's? lololol as you would say, have you ever driven one?

 

[Glos182]

I just don't think you are looking hard enough maupineda, check my thread out.

 

[p@blo]

That sounds like the typical answer from an agitated modified car owner with a flat torque curve. Its pretty predictable, it will pull the same as a stock car but hold the torque for about 500rpm longer to make the peak figure.

Short peak torque of ITB's? lololol as you would say, have you ever driven one?

I just don't think you are looking hard enough maupineda, check my thread out.

Wasn't yours the one putting out just under 150ftlb of torque, with ~140ftlb on the second dyno?

What kind of torque figure do the ITB kits typically achieve? Genuine question as i've never run one

 

[aucky]

Paul I'll take you out with my RS2

..if I can use your code reader to confirm a fault light I've got

 

[Sir_Dave]

ITB's? ..... have you ever driven one?

Not sure on Nick tbh, but i owned a 182 on ITB's, which i then broke.

To be honest, if the drive was that much better than my fairly standard Trophy, i would have fitted the ITB's. I didnt, which imho, sums them up. Not worth £2.5-£3k. In fact, i didnt even think they were worth the £1300 that i sold them for.

An RS2 is what £1500 fitted, using all the existing sensors & no chopping about. For me, the RS2 offers an improved drive, that is decent enough VFM, & reversible within about 4 hours, so a viable tuning option.

Horses for courses i guess.

 

[Glos182]

Yes p@blo i think you are right, but the guy asked why there are no print outs, when there are....

 

[T3gav]

I asked this before and got no reply but why is it possible for the body to be bolted on not in line?

 

[Silent_Scone]

Not sure on Nick tbh, but i owned a 182 on ITB's, which i then broke.

To be honest, if the drive was that much better than my fairly standard Trophy, i would have fitted the ITB's. I didnt, which imho, sums them up. Not worth £2.5-£3k. In fact, i didnt even think they were worth the £1300 that i sold them for.

An RS2 is what £1500 fitted, using all the existing sensors & no chopping about. For me, the RS2 offers an improved drive, that is decent enough VFM, & reversible within about 4 hours, so a viable tuning option.


Horses for courses i guess.

You didn't fit ITB's, so that sums them up? The car in question probably isn't a great example, for one - but lets not go into that!

Say for example you had a freak engined 182, which put out close to 190hp with a decent filter setup. Then you had a car running a jenvey setup which puts out more or less the same with 195hp? Or even a quite shoddy 190 for that matter..

Side by side the throttle bodied car would be substantially quicker regardless...the RS2 doesn't give the same level of gains in the lower range but then that's what everyone always thought would be the case to begin with. That's what you compromise by trying to keep it OEM with the RS2

 

[Dean.]

I asked this before and got no reply but why is it possible for the body to be bolted on not in line?

It's not. That's bullshit. Or misinterpreted.

 

[p@blo]

Paul I'll take you out with my RS2

..if I can use your code reader to confirm a fault light I've got

I forgot you had one-has it been mapped now? You have a graph to post up? Be interested to take a drive out to compare how yours pulls as ours were reasonably similar previously.

Not a problem for the rstuner-welcome to use it this weekend if you like mate?

 

[Glos182]

the RS2 doesn't give the same level of gains in the lower range but then that's what everyone always thought would be the case to begin with. That's what you compromise by trying to keep it OEM with the RS2

I see what you are saying here, but the power you ‘feel’ lower down the rev range with the RS2 is amazing imo compared to a standard engine setup! Completely changes the way the car feels to drive, which is a great feeling, and I think this is also why the RS2 is popular.

Yes ITB’s would be quicker than the RS2, I have no doubt in my mind about this, but ‘substantially quicker’ I dunno, would be good to see a side by side at santa pod

 

[Silent_Scone]

I was more comparing the ITBS to a standard setup rather than the RS2. Far from knocking the RS2, it's an awesome bit of kit for what it is..

 

[Chris205]

I honestly can't believe how people seem to be blown away by an extra 10bhp lol, is it even noticable?

I've been out in a Sc'd 172 that has atleast 90bhp more than mine and because of the way the power was delivered (very smooth mapping by paul @ RST) it didnt make a massive fuss just pulled progressively throughout the range. I can't imagine an extra 10-15bhp being that noticable.


I was speaking to a friend who likes turbo'ing clio's who reckons I can get around 260BHP for not much over £2000, lets say £2500 once you've upgraded brakes/clutch. I know where my money will be going, I also think with some nice smooth mapping from Paul @ Rs tuning it wont be much of a handful to drive. Boost FTW

 

[Sir_Dave]

You didn't fit ITB's, so that sums them up?

For me, yes. FYI, that sh1tbox of Guppys isnt the only ITB'd hot hatch i've driven or owned mind

They are good yes, but i dont think they offer the gain that you would expect for the money invested. Like Chris says above really.

This is what 99% of people miss when modifying a 1*2 imho. Unless its running 250bhp, its still just going to feel like a nippy clio. You buy a clio for fun. Buy a Supra Twin Turbo if you wanna go fast in a straight line. For less than the cost of ITB's installed on your clio.

That's what you compromise by trying to keep it OEM with the RS2

Yup

 

[Silent_Scone]

BOOST FTW ONE CAREFUL OWNER SC CLIO 172 LOW MILEAGE BARGAIN OPEN TO OFFERS


in all fairness it's always down to personal preference.. as an investment I can understand the point of view for what gains, but I'd have a hard time going back to the standard engine now :/

 

[Chris205]

I think to make the most out of Itb's you've really got to go forged, I've never looked into other internals for ITB's but I'm guessing cams, better valves that can cope with higher RPM's etc.

ITB's are perfect for the track though, they sound nuts but I think unless you hunt around for bargains, the N/a tuning scene for clio's is just a money pit. The same could be said for boost on the other hand, if you buy s**t parts for your conversion and it goes pop then you're back to square one.

I think everything has its pros and cons, its always been the same with modifying. I find that once you've done quite a few changes and you drive a standard car again, 99% of the time you've got a little man in the back of your head saying standard is actually better and I've possibly ruined my car turning it into a scene monkey.

 

[Silent_Scone]

I'd tend not to agree with the forged comment unless you intend on racing it.. cams and itb's is a nice spot to be with the F4R. I almost made the mistake of going nutty - but when it all goes bang you've got to fork twice over. Like for example where I am at the moment... broken engine - oh well chop out the cams and bolt everything back on - no wucking forries

 

[Nick172Cup]

That sounds like the typical answer from an agitated modified car owner with a flat torque curve. Its pretty predictable, it will pull the same as a stock car but hold the torque for about 500rpm longer to make the peak figure.

Short peak torque of ITB's? lololol as you would say, have you ever driven one?

Yes thank you I have driven an ITB'd car, and no I'm not agitated modified car owner at all. Tbh im actually very happy with the way the torque curve is on the RS-2, it never once feels flat when you put your foot down, be it on road or track. With the ITB'd car I drove it felt good but not once has it made me regret getting the RS-2 over ITB's.

An extra thousand pounds for ITB's for not a not of difference, and having to hack everything so it cant go back to standard once I'm done with the car... Sounds like a fantastic idea getting them to me!

But as always you know better as you've driven one and you could make one of these in your sleep if I remember rightly! Lol

So stop trolling about as what your not getting anywhere with it...