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Renaultsport 200
My mates Pug GTi 180 did a 172 cup and I was a passenger and trust me the Clio driver was trying. I was pretty upset by the result to be honest because I bang on about Clio RS's to him all the time. Also by that token my 197 has beat the pug a few times.
A 197 is leaps and bounds ahead in development over 1*2's, and on a motorway will pull away. Introduce corners and point to point a 197 will show why its the better car.
The only 1*2 id have is a Trophy. - Very nice!
Scirocco GT 2.0
Golf 7R
Thats because most people on here have 172/182's.... they vote for their own cars
Now, i've had a 172 Cup, and had my 197 for a year now. There is no difference, the 197 is not slow as you put it. In fact just going by book times the 197 has a quicker 0-62mph time...... Also i out dragged a cup off here, and yes he was trying
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=384793
+1
I also came from a 172 Cup, and as good as the car was/is, the game has moved on, and i would never go back ... ever!
brisa4984
ClioSport Club Member
Was a 197
which one is your favourite gaz?
i wouldn't mind havin a go in either a 172 or 182 whichever derivative and seeing for myself what is the difference.
At the end of the day RS's have moved on. They are the best all round hot hatches on the market (dont class the golf as a hot hatch, its too bulky now)
seb
ClioSport Club Member
Clio trophy
when i dorve a 197 for the first time it felt like a real advancement to me.
i then got back into my 182 and it felt so rough. weird seats with my bus wheel as the gruff engine growled.
was an epically fun car but for me, the 197 is a significant improvement.
i then got back into my 182 and it felt so rough. weird seats with my bus wheel as the gruff engine growled.
was an epically fun car but for me, the 197 is a significant improvement.
not sure, i think this was just a fix for the 197 but its prob worth checking with Ren in case there was one for other mark 3's.
Renaultsport 200
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Was a 197
Loved the cup, always has a special place in my heart, but i love the 197, the box, the seating position, the less gruff engine. All round better package really! (just wish it was White)
my dad's had a white one with the black alloys!!!
I'm not debating that, only facts speak for themselvs.
If the cars are both putting out the manufacturers power output the cup will be the faster car! I know the 197 is a better package all round, I was just throwing the 172 in for comparisons sake.
I'm not listening to 'my mate' stories, too many factors to consider. Pug 206 gtis aren't very quick, the cup must have been half dead or the pug was seriously modified. Standard vs standard its no contest, I know, a friend of mine owns a 180 206.
how the feck is that a fail? grow up little boy!
I cannot rectify or explain why a manufacturer is so piss poor at making cars that the power outputs massively vary, all I know is that if a clio cup is running full power (which is a bit of a lottery) it will be one of the fastest RS clios!
I didn't want to turn this into a 1*2 vs 197 argument and still dont, but when people are taking pops at me I will stand my ground.
^^ none of that is important, whats important is tha the OP is happy with his new purchase and I dont blame him, i have a 197 myself and they are great cars. He has bought himself a decent car with more refinement and better build, good solid performance, good specification and he's got a fairly decent price too.
Not everyone buys a car for the reasons you do, if we all wanted power to weight rations at a good price like you suggest, we wouldnt all be in clios and you wouldnt be in a 172 cup. Cars are a personal choice, not a contest.
Not everyone buys a car for the reasons you do, if we all wanted power to weight rations at a good price like you suggest, we wouldnt all be in clios and you wouldnt be in a 172 cup. Cars are a personal choice, not a contest.
+1!
Porsche Boxster987S
hhmm another interesting thread about the 197. But i sniggered when i read about the 180gti leaving the 172cup The 180 is not as quick as the 1*2 standard vs standard. Thats a fact. I understand too how people see the 197 as an improvement in CERTAIN areas but to say an improvement in ''every'' respect is a matter of opinions.
The 180 is not as quick as the 1*2 standard vs standard. Thats a fact. I understand too how people see the 197 as an improvement in CERTAIN areas but to say an improvement in ''every'' respect is a matter of opinions.
Nissan 370Z
i myself had a 1.2clio, then a fiesta st which i now have, but is flood water dammaged. i drove my mates racing blue 197 and must say it felt so stable, seats comfy, gear stick and shifting is awesome...but yeah...you do have to drive them really hard!
great car tho...i would have one next if i didnt have my st.
great car tho...i would have one next if i didnt have my st.
brisa4984
ClioSport Club Member
hhmm another interesting thread about the 197. But i sniggered when i read about the 180gti leaving the 172cup
exactamundo.. lets not forget the 180 was 2 up! therefore what a load of poop
Happily give you a test drive in mine if vice versa! Really want to try a 197 out
here is a spanner for everyone.. i beat a 197 cup on a straight, he started accelerating first and i was shocked at how quick i caught up with him. No ifs or buts the 182 was faster than this guys cup (maybe new and not loosened up, i do not know)
Looks wise, i'd definitely have the 197 like the OPs dads.. white with black wheels... no wait, albi/ultra red/white.. either will do thanks
Was a 197
Happily give you a test drive in mine if vice versa! Really want to try a 197 out
We'll see, i'll keep that in mind curley. i'll have to break it in first!!! The one i took for a test drive was a 56 plate so it would have had the older ECU unless it had been done and that was fast enuf for me (i dont want to start another debate, although debates are quite fun!!!)
172cup
Check this vid out.
http://www.performancecarmagazine.co.uk/videositem.asp?videoID=10
Looks pretty even here. There are a few more 197 cup vids on this site. Love the noise from the 197, better than the 182 bag of hammers sound!
http://www.performancecarmagazine.co.uk/videositem.asp?videoID=10
Looks pretty even here. There are a few more 197 cup vids on this site. Love the noise from the 197, better than the 182 bag of hammers sound!
ForceIndia
ClioSport Club Member
Gentlemans spec 200
IMO, the 197 looks great, great interior, great brakes, sounds better than a 1*2. All the cars I've driven haven't felt as urgent/immediate as 1*2. But the big thing that would (and has) stopped me getting one, is the relative lack of feedback. I found the steering numb, and I just couldn't get on with it. Shame, as it would of been a natural up-grade had I enjoyed driving it.
Was a 197
it just looks to me that the 197 driver isn't trying to get past him, but if he wantedthen he could as it seems neck and neck along the straight, but he closes right up to him on corners.
172cup
When I watched it I thought the 182 was braking too much, I would have tried to enter the corners without using the brake and apply the power constant through the corner. I expected the 197 to catch up in the corners as the better brakes would allow later braking. I felt the 182 was pulling away on the straights.
Warren4 thats exactly how I felt when I drove the 197, it felt like a Civic Type R numb steering with little communication compared to the 182. I felt disappointed too as it is by far the best hot hatch on sale at the minute but was not my cupper!
Warren4 thats exactly how I felt when I drove the 197, it felt like a Civic Type R numb steering with little communication compared to the 182. I felt disappointed too as it is by far the best hot hatch on sale at the minute but was not my cupper!
ForceIndia
ClioSport Club Member
Gentlemans spec 200
The argument will go on until the next clio comes out! There's not much in it pace wise, it's personal preference. Few facts, the 197 has a better interior, is better under braking, handles well. The Trophy is more economical, more feedback, handles well. The end result is that over a lap, there's f**k all in it.
ForceIndia
ClioSport Club Member
Gentlemans spec 200
Exactly, it isn't for everyone. What I do find strange, is that for year people on here were criticising the Civic Type R for relatively numb steering and a relative lack of mid-range. Now those sort of faults aren't important.
ForceIndia
ClioSport Club Member
Gentlemans spec 200
Not criticising fella. We all have different preferences, mine make the 1*2 a better choice for me. Doesn't make it the better car full stop.
I found the low speed steering to be numb and over assisted. It weighted up nicely at speed though, and was very accurate. Threading it down a winding country lane was much more enjoyable than holding onto my 182s barge like steering wheel while it rolls around every corner like a jalopy.
I really don't think the 172/182 are actually that great in handling terms. I used to, but I've changed my mind recently. The steering wheel is too big. The seat is too high. There's lots of body roll, and the engine feels like it's full of rusty chisels when you start heading toward 7000rpm and they do not feel stable at all. Not a recipe for perfection IMO. Some people on here seem to think their 172/182 is the fastest bestest handling car ever made. They are great fun, but they're riddled with faults.
Oh and roffle at seb being told to grow up. The Cliosport f**kwittery is reaching new epic heights that I never thought imaginable TBH.
I really don't think the 172/182 are actually that great in handling terms. I used to, but I've changed my mind recently. The steering wheel is too big. The seat is too high. There's lots of body roll, and the engine feels like it's full of rusty chisels when you start heading toward 7000rpm and they do not feel stable at all. Not a recipe for perfection IMO. Some people on here seem to think their 172/182 is the fastest bestest handling car ever made. They are great fun, but they're riddled with faults.
Oh and roffle at seb being told to grow up. The Cliosport f**kwittery is reaching new epic heights that I never thought imaginable TBH.
Was a 197
i know mate
ForceIndia
ClioSport Club Member
Gentlemans spec 200
Always difficult comparing a car on tired dampers with a brand new one. I don't think the 182 would be ranked as one of the best ever hot hatches if the handling was that bad?
Perhaps, I just don't think they feel stable. Handling is subjective. Mine is extremely capable. I don't doubt it's ability to corner. It's just that for me, too many faults conspire to hamper the fun. I'd feel a lot more confident taking a 90mph corner in a 197 than I would in a 182. For me, that means it handles better. On my 197 test drive, I had the rear end swinging about. The salesman s**t himself. I can do this in the 182 of course, but it doesn't feel as happy about it. The fact that I was that confident about the car on a first test drive, says a lot about it's abilities TBH. Difficult to describe really, the 197 just felt sharper and more focused. More planted. More comfortable, better engine.
Faults (IMO) are low speed steering, relative lack of torque/ton, and too rev happy at cruising speeds.
