Cub's Flamer - Supercharged, Cage etc

[Ed.200]

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Coming along nicely mate. Shame about not making Bedford, but there are more opportunities.
Might be able to fit you in if you did want to come up

 

[Martin.]

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I like garage pics. Lol ok fair enough.

Looking forward to seeing a pictures update though.

 

[mark123]

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You wrapping it yourself Mark? If you need an extra pair of hands to help give me a shout!

I'm going to try lol. If I can make it look OK it will be a far cheaper way of keeping the racing car looking vaguely respectable. Thanks for the offer, you may regret it. I've done a few bits so far and the mistake I keep making is cutting the bits too small. I need to wait for it to warm up before I can do any of the bigger bits. Plus it is fairly low down on my priority list. Matt black was a mistake for my first try as well as if you stretch it too much it goes glossy.

 

[Cub.]

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Coming along nicely mate. Shame about not making Bedford, but there are more opportunities.
Might be able to fit you in if you did want to come up

Cheers Ed, and thanks for the kind offer. Unfortunately it looks like I'm working that weekend now

I like garage pics. Lol ok fair enough.

Looking forward to seeing a pictures update though.

I'll get on it, might be one on Sunday evening

I'm going to try lol. If I can make it look OK it will be a far cheaper way of keeping the racing car looking vaguely respectable. Thanks for the offer, you may regret it. I've done a few bits so far and the mistake I keep making is cutting the bits too small. I need to wait for it to warm up before I can do any of the bigger bits. Plus it is fairly low down on my priority list. Matt black was a mistake for my first try as well as if you stretch it too much it goes glossy.

I'm more than happy to lend a hand Mark, means I can 'practice' on yours

 

[Cub.]

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I like garage pics. Lol ok fair enough.

Looking forward to seeing a pictures update though.

So, after some lack of picture criticism, here is another update

Still looks like this

The box is at Gripper having the LSD sorted. @Dan@SJM has kindly agreed to come over in early Feb when the box is back to compression test the engine and run the new brake line system, including the CLiP changes. So...I have been acquiring more parts Most of these from @Llewellyn and @Nick172Cup - cheers guys

Cup AC delete / Alternator etc

Cup brake lines and Brake setup to get rid of the annoying ABS problems;

Goodbye annoying piece of s**t...

A new Bosch S4 Battery, MAD Battery cover and some engine degreasant to get on cleaning the engine this week;

Bought a new clutch and TREs;

I've also ordered / sourced;

- Cup Wishbones
- New rack bushes
- New Track Rods
- Samco full hose kit
- Nimbus heatshield
- New Genuine Belt Kit.
- New Dephaser

Can't wait to get it back on the road, aiming for early March

 

[AlexW]

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Been following this since you started.

Sounds like its going to be even more of a awesome car once its back together with all these bits etc!

 

[Cub.]

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Cheers, be happy when it's running and got a healthy engine.

Come the winter it will be supercharger time

 

[Joe#]

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Nice!

Will you you be using the standard Valeo clutch when it's supercharged?

 

[Tony Hunter]

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If used correctly, it should be fine.

 

[BIGASH]

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Looks good Oli if going supercharged I would put a keywayed crank pulley on while doing the belts.

Do you still run aircon? If not I'd be tempted to swap to 172 cup engine loom as that will get rid of all the ABS loom

 

[Cub.]

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Nice!

Will you you be using the standard Valeo clutch when it's supercharged?

If used correctly, it should be fine.

Cheers Joe. Yep, as Tony said, if used correctly it should be fine. Dan@SJM may correct me, but from talking to Mike Woodford I should be hoping for 280-300 bhp on all standard parts incl. clutch and transmission.

That is what is steering me towards supercharging more than turboing. The stress on the engine / parts is less, and if the engine goes, I can bolt a the charger onto a replacement engine, and off we go again. Only downside is the cost of a new charger if it lets go, but say that happens once every 2-3 years i'll be happy.

 

[Joe#]

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That's very true. I'll look forward to seeing updates anyway.

 

[Bobby.]

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Great project this, will be perfect with a S/C.

 

[Cub.]

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Looks good Oli if going supercharged I would put a keywayed crank pulley on while doing the belts.

Do you still run aircon? If not I'd be tempted to swap to 172 cup engine loom as that will get rid of all the ABS loom

Just seen this James mate, cheers. How much is a keywayed crank and what are the benefits? I'm getting rid of the aircon, but i was trying to avoid ripping the loom out / swapping it from a cost perspective

 

[AlexW]

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Cup loom would save a bit of weight all over really. A/C wiring, ABS wiring, Cruise etc. Also remove auto headlights/wipers.

Edit: Seat airbag wiring tooo

 

[Bobby.]

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A keywayed pulley is about £30 direct from Renault iirc. And it basically has a bit that sits in the crankshaft itself which stops the crank pulley coming loose and destroying the engine. On the clio standard crank pulley it's only held to the crankshaft by the tighteness of the pulley bolt, this is fine when it's N/A but when you go boost the extra torque can make them slip so it's best to upgrade to the 'keyed' megane pulley.

 

[Cub.]

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Cup loom would save a bit of weight all over really. A/C wiring, ABS wiring, Cruise etc. Also remove auto headlights/wipers.

Edit: Seat airbag wiring tooo

Cheers Alex, i'll have a think. I don't want to mess with the electrics too much before going to standalone management with the charger.

A keywayed pulley is about £30 direct from Renault iirc. And it basically has a bit that sits in the crankshaft itself which stops the crank pulley coming loose and destroying the engine. On the clio standard crank pulley it's only held to the crankshaft by the tighteness of the pulley bolt, this is fine when it's N/A but when you go boost the extra torque can make them slip so it's best to upgrade to the 'keyed' megane pulley.

Bobby - thanks for the advice, i'll definitely be doing this if its only £30 or so.

 

[Bobby.]

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Also what alternator brackets are you using atm? Cup set up or just standard with aircon?

only saying because if you get the S/C kit your need the standard A/C bracket set up as the S/C sits where the aircon compressor use to sit. So if you have 172 cup alternator set up your have to change back to the standard brackets first.

 

[dmallett]

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What brackets are you going to use for the super charger?

Also what alternator brackets are you using atm? Cup set up or just standard with aircon?


only saying because if you get the S/C kit your need the standard A/C bracket set up as the S/C sits where the aircon compressor use to sit. So if you have 172 cup alternator set up your have to change back to the standard brackets first.

Glad you wrote that as it saved me asking ha

 

[Cub.]

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Also what alternator brackets are you using atm? Cup set up or just standard with aircon?

only saying because if you get the S/C kit your need the standard A/C bracket set up as the S/C sits where the aircon compressor use to sit. So if you have 172 cup alternator set up your have to change back to the standard brackets first.

What brackets are you going to use for the super charger?

Glad you wrote that as it saved me asking ha

Great minds! I'm going to the Cup alternator setup, but keeping my standard brackets for when I supercharge it.

 

[Bobby.]

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Haha fair enough.

Where do you plan on getting the kit from?

 

[dmallett]

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I was asking what route you were going for the brackets to mount the charger? I believe rs tuning sell them.

 

[Cub.]

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Probably source most of it myself.

I did look at the k-tec kit, but given their treatment / attitude towards me i'd rather not line their pockets any further.

Dan - thanks for advising on RS tuning selling them, i'll look into that.

 

[Dan@SJM]

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Cheers Joe. Yep, as Tony said, if used correctly it should be fine. Dan@SJM may correct me, but from talking to Mike Woodford I should be hoping for 280-300 bhp on all standard parts incl. clutch and transmission.

That is what is steering me towards supercharging more than turboing. The stress on the engine / parts is less, and if the engine goes, I can bolt a the charger onto a replacement engine, and off we go again. Only downside is the cost of a new charger if it lets go, but say that happens once every 2-3 years i'll be happy.

Yup I'm still on a stock clutch at 270bhp/236lb-ft

 

[Chip-mk1]

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Cheers Joe. Yep, as Tony said, if used correctly it should be fine. @Dan@SJM may correct me, but from talking to Mike Woodford I should be hoping for 280-300 bhp on all standard parts incl. clutch and transmission.

That is what is steering me towards supercharging more than turboing. The stress on the engine / parts is less, and if the engine goes, I can bolt a the charger onto a replacement engine, and off we go again. Only downside is the cost of a new charger if it lets go, but say that happens once every 2-3 years i'll be happy.

I'd still go for an uprated clutch personally, as although Mike/Dan are correct that if its low torque (which centrifugal chargers tend to be) then you can get away with a lot more bhp than if its got lots of midrange torque like a turbo application tends to before the clutch slips, there is still the problem that if you change aggressively you can damage the standard clutch quite easily even on lower power, Porkies was only 170lbft and still wrecked a standard clutch.

Its 500 quid extra though so upto you of course.

 

[Matt_90]

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Looking good dude, will be good to see an engine back in it. Loving the garage!

Any particular reason you haven't decided to just run new brakes lines in copper or braided instead of fitting the cup ones? I can only assume the cost.

 

[Cub.]

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Cheers Chip-mk1 and Matt_90, but it's pretty much cost which is prohibitive at the moment. Just want to get it back on the road in standard format, and then look at a few bits when I do supercharge it.

 

[Chip-mk1]

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Makes sense to me, would be silly putting uprated clutch in now and wearing it out before you need it.

 

[debussetti]

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Cub. Who did your powder coating? Last place I used in Reading, I asked for Gloss Black and got some dull grey and with horrible orange peel...

I'm going to get my side mounts powder coated for the Recaros and looking for something similar to yours bits.

Hows the March deadline coming along?

 

[Cub.]

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@Cub. Who did your powder coating? Last place I used in Reading, I asked for Gloss Black and got some dull grey and with horrible orange peel...

I'm going to get my side mounts powder coated for the Recaros and looking for something similar to yours bits.

Hows the March deadline coming along?

A contact through @Rob on here. If you want some bits done, we can sort out dropping them off at mine and I can get then done through him along with a few other bits from @iOllieSM that I know he wants doing.

PS. March deadline looks on target, as long as the engine compression comes back ok!

 

[debussetti]

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Sounds good, it's going to be a few weeks before I have the bits, but I'll be in touch for sure.

 

[Cub.]

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Update Time

Progress is still being made. I have picked the Gripper'd box back up from Dave Mac props who have reconditioned the diff, and reconditioned the box replacing the 3rd Gear Synchro as it was goosed.
@Dan@SJM is heading over on Monday to run the Cup brake setup, use CLiP to cancel the necessary signal sending, compression test the engine and much excitement from my side - discuss / show me his supercharger setup

I have been accummulating parts at a rate of knots, and will stick photos of them in here so I can keep track of them all / what needs to be fitted

Radiator from the @Budgie

Pure Motorsport Shifter

Pure Motorsport Top Mounts and Strut brace from @Nick172Cup

Brake ducts from Nick again

Don't know if these will come out, but white Oz Racing stickers (thanks Ady182) for the black F1 wheels and white Cliosport.net stickers

Battery cover from @Dan Mad

ATE Super Blue Brake Fluid (and a back up 1l )

And these which I got in the Sprayshack group buy. Quality is faultless! Thanks @Shameless172 and @leeroybrown

More stuff coming tomorrow and Monday, so i'll update next week

Edit - stupid fricking photobucket - I orientated the photos on there, but clearly having non of it - anything you can do Rob x

 

[Rob]

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Great stuff! All photos are the right way up, but your cache will stop them from rotating on your screen

 

[Tim.]

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Coming along nicely Cubinator. Have you picked up any clear side repeaters yet? The orange ones make me soft...

 

[Cub.]

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Great stuff! All photos are the right way up, but your cache will stop them from rotating on your screen

Happy days! Cheers bud, yep, all this to fit on the 22nd. Further goodies appearing next week

My bank balance has taken a battering lol!

 

[Cub.]

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Coming along nicely Cubinator. Have you picked up any clear side repeaters yet? The orange ones make me soft...

Not yet. Got a link? I did get your email earlier on Wales, will reply tomorrow dude just need to check course dates in March that I need to go on for work

 

[Rob]

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Happy days! Cheers bud, yep, all this to fit on the 22nd. Further goodies appearing next week

My bank balance has taken a battering lol!

Not as bad as mine, LTSB fucked up and literally emptied my current account, taking two days to sort out. LOL! Too long of a story to explain.

 

[dmallett]

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I have some clear side repeaters ill send you if you want them for the cost of a stamp x

 

[Cub.]

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Not as bad as mine, LTSB f**ked up and literally emptied my current account, taking two days to sort out. LOL! Too long of a story to explain.

Fail! I bet you cacked yourself when you went online and saw 'zero' in the Banco de Bobert account.

 

[Cub.]

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I have some clear side repeaters ill send you if you want them for the cost of a stamp x

Oooh, thats very kind. Paypal address? I'll PM you my address bud