Wheel alignment

[Daz 172]

Anyone know of a good place to get my geo settup near Chester who know what there doing with lowered cars ?

 

[dangerous dave]

A full super alignment is for cars with full front rear camber, caster, toe adjustment.

Unless you have camber bolts your cars only front tow adjustable. you just need anyone with a set of Dunlop gauges or the closest alignment place.

I wouldn't travel for it, I actually have tracking gauges as I got bored of driving to and from the tyre shop.. All 4 cars are front toe only, I don't need a 4 wheel laser alignment..

 

[Daz 172]

A full super alignment is for cars with full front rear camber, caster, toe adjustment.

Unless you have camber bolts your cars only front tow adjustable. you just need anyone with a set of Dunlop gauges or the closest alignment place.

I wouldn't travel for it, I actually have tracking gauges as I got bored of driving to and from the tyre shop.. All 4 cars are front toe only, I don't need a 4 wheel laser alignment..

Forgot to mention it is on coilovers and has camber bolts

 

[JamesBryan]

Demon Tweeks is not far from you.

 

[leedsboy]

http://www.alignmycar.co.uk/

 

[Daz 172]

 

[Daz 172]

This is what demon tweeks did car feels awful pulling left to right
Do these settings seem right bearing in mind it's lowered around 60 mm on coilovers and has the camber bolts fitted

 

[bashracing]

Too much front camber for a road car,
if you want it to drive nicely on the road knock 1 degree of camber (down to 1 45) off the front and set toe out of 6-10 minutes (and lift the suspension 30mm)

 

[dangerous dave]

Problem with the machines is the guy that's working them only goes off the pre set data..

Ask them to actually set it to an actual number, not just when the big arrow lines up and you'll feel like you're talking to a piece of broccoli.

A set of front toe laser gauges and a magnetic camber gauge could see them paying for themselves in no time. Me and 3 friends chipped in for them and they have saved the outlay already.

 

[Daz 172]

Too much front camber for a road car,
if you want it to drive nicely on the road knock 1 degree of camber (down to 1 45) off the front and set toe out of 6-10 minutes (and lift the suspension 30mm)

So I need to get it set to -1.45 degree camber and +10 toe so that's +5 toe each side ?

 

[bashracing]

yep

 

[klm182]

Anyone know of a good place to get my geo settup near Chester who know what there doing with lowered cars ?

Jeffreys High Performance Tyres
1A Station Road
Latchford
Warrington
Cheshire
WA4 1JT

Telephone: 01925247560
these know what they are doing. took my car a few times. the 2nd time,they checked it all,said it didn't need adjusting and didn't charge me anything. Even give me another read out.

 

[sburrell93]

Too much front camber for a road car,
if you want it to drive nicely on the road knock 1 degree of camber (down to 1 45) off the front and set toe out of 6-10 minutes (and lift the suspension 30mm)

You're mixing up camber and caster on the sheet.

Those readings look fine for a road car IMO. If it's increased toe out from the readings before then it'll naturally want to follow the camber of the road more than before. It's the downside to having a more responsive front end.

 

[bashracing]

You're mixing up camber and caster on the sheet.

Those readings look fine for a road car IMO. If it's increased toe out from the readings before then it'll naturally want to follow the camber of the road more than before. It's the downside to having a more responsive front end.

You're right its castor I'm being thick:up:

 

[klm182]

Forgot to mention it is on coilovers and has camber bolts

why have front camber bolts? I bought some, took them to get fitted,the guy said,waste of time for the road....your left toe it way out,your trust angle should be zero..am no expert,just reading my read out,on sportlines springs. your front is like mine,my car handles like a dream..
you have to remember by lowering the car,that changes the settings..

 

[klm182]

You're mixing up camber and caster on the sheet.

Those readings look fine for a road car IMO. If it's increased toe out from the readings before then it'll naturally want to follow the camber of the road more than before. It's the downside to having a more responsive front end.

you seem to know what you've on about,how are my readings? ha

 

[sburrell93]

you seem to know what you've on about,how are my readings? ha

The front looks fine to me. Toe out (negative numbers) will tend to make the car want to wander and follow the road, but it gives the steering a more responsive feel. I'd say that either your alignment before was toe'd in and so you're feeling the difference now, or there's genuinely an issue somewhere. Play in ball joints and wishbones can cause the car to wander more than it should, but I'd have thought a garage would've checked for that before doing alignment!

As mentioned above, the rear isn't great, but it's rare to see a perfectly straight rear end on these anyway.

 

[klm182]

You're mixing up camber and caster on the sheet.

Those readings look fine for a road car IMO. If it's increased toe out from the readings before then it'll naturally want to follow the camber of the road more than before. It's the downside to having a more responsive front end.

I know its a silly question ,isn't the rear toe not adjustable, its just the way the wheel sits on the hub..that's why his thrust angle is not zero, because the back wheel is out of line.hence pulling to one side .

 

[klm182]

The front looks fine to me. Toe out (negative numbers) will tend to make the car want to wander and follow the road, but it gives the steering a more responsive feel. I'd say that either your alignment before was toe'd in and so you're feeling the difference now, or there's genuinely an issue somewhere. Play in ball joints and wishbones can cause the car to wander more than it should, but I'd have thought a garage would've checked for that before doing alignment!

As mentioned above, the rear isn't great, but it's rare to see a perfectly straight rear end on these anyway.

the alignment before was, positive 0.16 left, positive 00.2 right. total toe was 0.19 ...rear was the same, cause it cant be adjusted ,after it was done, the car felt great..

 

[klm182]

the alignment before was, positive 0.16 left, positive 00.2 right. total toe was 0.19 ...rear was the same, cause it cant be adjusted ,after it was done, the car felt great..

I had a new steering rack fitted and new track rod ends, so it needed a proper wheel alinement ,not just tracking..

 

[sburrell93]

@klm182 FFS I got mixed up between yours and the OP's posts... I was readings the OP's results sheet lol! The readings on yours look spot on tbh! The rear is pretty straight too, most rear beams aren't as straight as that from what I've seen on here, unless they've been shimmed.

 

[klm182]

@klm182 FFS I got mixed up between yours and the OP's posts... I was readings the OP's results sheet lol! The readings on yours look spot on tbh! The rear is pretty straight too, most rear beams aren't as straight as that from what I've seen on here, unless they've been shimmed.

why is he's rear toe so far out? what could be the cause? I know the camber changes when lowered.that can be a benefit..

 

[sburrell93]

why is he's rear toe so far out? what could be the cause? I know the camber changes when lowered.that can be a benefit..

I'm not sure tbh, could've taken a slight knock in the past maybe. Mine is similar though. 28 minutes toe in on the rear left, and 3 minutes on the rear right.

 

[roncee]

blink motorsport, proper know how

 

[PAUL JA]

U could try DAVE at Brosport Cheadle Staffs. Might be worth shimming the rear

Or

Ninemeister Warrington they are a Porshe specialist but they have a decent 4 wheel rig

 

[dablk]

blink motorsport, proper know how

+1 how many places put weights in the drivers seat to simulate a person while doing the setup.

 

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+1 how many places put weights in the drivers seat to simulate a person while doing the setup.

Anyone flat flooring a car will

If your just doing geo most wont , known Rich at Blink for years before he started Blink or even working on cars.

He will do a spot on job if you take it to Blink

 

[MrWid]

Weighting a car up is only required when manufacturers tell you to weight as part of the correct alignment procedure, i.e bmw, or they'll give you a ride height that the vehicle needs to be set to and then you'd weight down to match that ride height. If a vehicle has coilovers, it should be corner weighted along with alignment setup, in which case you'd need to simulate drivers weight for best results on track.

Above readings are fine and the guys at demon tweeks know what they're doing! (No i don't work for them ;-) )

What tyres have you got on?

 

[Daz 172]

Weighting a car up is only required when manufacturers tell you to weight as part of the correct alignment procedure, i.e bmw, or they'll give you a ride height that the vehicle needs to be set to and then you'd weight down to match that ride height. If a vehicle has coilovers, it should be corner weighted along with alignment setup, in which case you'd need to simulate drivers weight for best results on track.

Above readings are fine and the guys at demon tweeks know what they're doing! (No i don't work for them ;-) )

What tyres have you got on?

Seems a lot better now but with the toe being out on the rear it does worry me a little , anyone know what sort of work is involved to correct that ? It has Michelin PS3 s all round

 

[MrWid]

Seems a lot better now but with the toe being out on the rear it does worry me a little , anyone know what sort of work is involved to correct that ? It has Michelin PS3 s all round

Ive not used them myself, but you can get aftermarket rear camber/toe shims.

http://www.kamracing.co.uk/car-tuni.../renault-clio-mk2-1-rear-camber-shim-set.html

1/2 deg shim added to your toe would be perfect

 

[imprezaworks]

Demon Tweeks is not far from you.

Only if you want an underwhelming experience imo. Go to blink Motorsport 1000000%%%%%%

 

[Daz 172]

After all this alignment issues just my luck one of my front coilovers has decided to give up wasn't any play in it a week ago . As it's just a road car now I was thinking of putting standard cup shocks and eibach springs on it or similar , coilovers are ktec ones so I am hoping for an improvement with handling , anyone have experience of going back from coilovers to shocks ?? Also not sure what it's lowered by at the moment any thoughts ?

 

[imprezaworks]

I have mate. Had cooksports, eibachs, apex.

I have now got h@r springs and rate them above all of those for ride and looks

 

[Daz 172]

I have mate. Had cooksports, eibachs, apex.

I have now got h@r springs and rate them above all of those for ride and looks

What do the h@r lower it by ? I would leave the back the way it is

 

[imprezaworks]

Mine with 20mm spacers on the front

 

[Knuckles]

I was just talking about this today.

There's a place in hawarden that did mine a while back for £20 or £30. I thought this wasn't a bad price but I was told it was expensive. How much do people usually pay for regular alignment?

 

[Daz 172]

I have mate. Had cooksports, eibachs, apex.

I have now got h@r springs and rate them above all of those for ride and looks

What do the h@r lower it by ? I would leave the back the way

Mine with 20mm spacers on the front

looks good , I would want mine somewhere near as low on the front as it is now so would have to go for the lowest decent spring there is . Gna have to measure mine from floor to centre of the wheel arch and see

 

[Daz 172]

I was just talking about this today.

There's a place in hawarden that did mine a while back for £20 or £30. I thought this wasn't a bad price but I was told it was expensive. How much do people usually pay for regular alignment?

£49.99 to £59.99 using a hunter hawk eye. That's demon tweeks prices

 

[imprezaworks]

£30 isn't expensive atall if they are good. I've used a place in Liverpool that I think charge £40 ish, were spot on

 

[Daz 172]

Decided to take the plunge and go for some new coilovers I'm hearing the b14s are very popular where would be the best place to source these from ? Also after a wider stance but nothing silly so was thinking 20 mm spacers on the front but not sure about the back is that usually the same size spacer or do people go a bit less ? Any feedback with people who have a good road setup would be appreciated