Milltek

[Adam]

john how yours is now is how everyone else's is, there is only 1 bracket welded on the Milltek hense there is only 1 mount being used under the car (its the right hand side 1 if you are looking at theback of the car)

 

[rich[182]]

Guys

Had mine fitted this morning at RSTuning, Leeds

Old one came off no probs, Milltek went on straight forward, the guys commented on it being a very good fit, I took printouts of some of the pics from this thread re. mounting brackets etc and it's not a problem, mine is very very secure, they had no concerns and didn't think the MOT issue is an issue

They did say that it would be very easy to fabricate a mount bracket to weld in place even with the exhaust fitted, though we all said it isn't necessary

Cost me £47 fitted

First impressions are I'm very happy

RSTuning were a good outfit, top down to earth guys who were fine with me pestering them under the car ! Took a few pics will post later

Now off to fiddle with some minor mods + major clean

Back later.........................................

 

[Adam]

good stuff rich, i new you wouldnt have any problems.
if anything its Renault mounts that have made complications and not the exhaust in any way. loads of garages have said its an excellent fit and if i can fit it on my drive under axle stands then anyone can do it lol

 

[MarkM]

not overly impressed with the design theres a massive difference in the length of the pipework into the rear silencers. I bet more smoke comes out of the left pipe on a cold morning?

Compared to the BTB it looks w**k in terms of the design gone into it.

 

[Adam]

not overly impressed with the design theres a massive difference in the length of the pipework into the rear silencers. I bet more smoke comes out of the left pipe on a cold morning?

Compared to the BTB it looks w**k in terms of the design gone into it.

well everyone has there opinion but i think your wrong

 

[MarkM]

not overly impressed with the design theres a massive difference in the length of the pipework into the rear silencers. I bet more smoke comes out of the left pipe on a cold morning?

Compared to the BTB it looks w**k in terms of the design gone into it.

well everyone has there opinion but i think your wrong

Apologies mate maybe that sounded a bit harsh.

Its the first time I have seen the exhaust and I am a little disappointed how a top name seems to have just thrown some pipework together.

IMO it isnt in the same league as a BTB check these pictures out

 

[Adam]

i still dont see your point tbh.
got to say im loving the towels

 

[MarkM]

i still dont see your point tbh.
got to say im loving the towels

BTB didnt put the y piece where they did and bend all that pipework and weld all the extra bits to make it easier and cheaper. They put it in there computer and found the best performance design and built it.

Milltek on the other hand have produced something that allows them to do it as cheaply as possible with the least effort. I doubt performance was at the top of there list of priorities.

Weld quality on the BTB is also noticeably better.

The towels are extra though.

PS I do not have a BTB and am not involved with Shed Motorsport in anyway.

 

[davejm123]

i sort of understand what you are getting at Mark but then again, for £200 more, i'd expect a bit more effort. I love the exhaust now, sounds better, has straghtened up in the mounts(dont know how!) all i need to sort is the blowing which imo was just the person who fitted it not putting and paste around it. glad to see it all went well rich. how you finding it?

oh and no...not more smoke out the left. and out of interest, what do you look for in a 'good weld'?

 

[john182rs]

i took some pictures today after i completly cleand the car top to bottom inside and out.
There a picture of the bracket then ones of how my exhaust sits in the cuts of the bumper.


http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image013qc9.jpg

 

[M.C..]

tbh you are never talking masive gains on a n/a car anyway, the BTB may be a lot better design, but is an extra £200 worth 1 or 2 bhp in a road car?
for most people sound and looks is what they are after
i brought a janspeed and could not fault it for both sound and looks and the fit was excellent and it is cheaper than the milltek and the BTB, ok it may not of had the power increase that the BTB has but it was better than the renault sh!te

 

[john182rs]

john how yours is now is how everyone else's is, there is only 1 bracket welded on the Milltek hense there is only 1 mount being used under the car (its the right hand side 1 if you are looking at theback of the car)

Yea if your under the car looking up but facing towards the rear then its the right hand side bracket only one mount should be used on this and would/is pointless using both as not even the OEM system used both but only just the right hand one.

 

[fmp_]

MarkM - thank you! i am glad you can see where we and BTB are coming from with our system.

but its the same with all walks of life, you pay the money, you get the best.

As its been mentioned, most people just want extra noise, so they get noticed more down the high street etc.

 

[john182rs]

MarkM - thank you! i am glad you can see where we and BTB are coming from with our system.

but its the same with all walks of life, you pay the money, you get the best.

As its been mentioned, most people just want extra noise, so they get noticed more down the high street etc.

Ok if you can justify a btb system of £700 is it? in words over what ive bought which is a full milltek system an de-cat for £400 then ill sell it an buy a btb but all i can think of is 2-3 hunderd pound more on a system really worth it? and surly a obisound system is better than a btb then as i think that costs more.
Either way its better than the standard and the tone it gives is not "Chavy" and would you not get noticed with a btb on the high street then?

 

[davejm123]

lol, i love the one-upman ship on every product someone mentions/buys! BTB is good yes, and maybe it has better welds (not that i know what that means), and maybe it is better for power. but at the end of the day the Milltek looks nicer imo with rolled tailpipes and no backboxes on show, and i like the sound of it. and no i dont want to be noticed in the highstreet just wanted a sporty sound!
if you want maximum power (2-6bhp) and have a large budget buy the BTB
if you want the most power, and money no option buy the Orb
if you want a nice system thats SS, sounds and looks great, and is better than the average (imo) go for the Milltek.

sound fair?

oh and isnt the BTB louder than the Milltek?!!! no middle silencer if i'm right? i can see the highstreet honeys heads turning... lol (no this is not a dig...its just a joke lol :rasp: )

 

[MarkM]

Ok if you can justify a btb system of £700 is it? in words over what ive bought which is a full milltek system an de-cat for £400 then ill sell it an buy a btb but all i can think of is 2-3 hunderd pound more on a system really worth it? and surly a obisound system is better than a btb then as i think that costs more.
Either way its better than the standard and the tone it gives is not "Chavy" and would you not get noticed with a btb on the high street then?

So its a budget system then. Which there is nothing wrong with.

I thought Millltek were a more upmarket exhaust manufacturer.

 

[john182rs]

Milltek made the exhaust system for the race car type clio and then went in to development of a street wise systems with the legal factors at hand of not being too noisey. I would not say they are a budget system at £453 per kit but you/i an mr who ever can not justifiy why a btb system being £200 - £300 more than a milltek is actually worth that amount...
Incase you dont know of milltek too much they are also the same group as falcon engineers an race automotives for the past 25 years

 

[Dan Page]

No aftermarket exhausts seem to fit the 182 properly. End of!

(IMO only of course)

 

[mr blue182]

No aftermarket exhausts seem to fit the 182 properly. End of!

(IMO only of course)

sorry dan disagree i would say the janspeed fits bang on, as you saw on mine
it may have not sounded as you like it to ,but mines still on now. no blows or banging i think the powers there and i do work on some fast stuff, ie m6 m5 m3 z4m .

 

[davejm123]

i wouldnt say the Milltek fits badly. mines spot on! no banging, the mounts have sorted themselves and the cat isnt a problem just needs adjusting (i hope) which i'l do tomorrow!

 

[fmp_]

Milltek made the exhaust system for the race car type clio and then went in to development of a street wise systems with the legal factors at hand of not being too noisey. I would not say they are a budget system at £453 per kit but you/i an mr who ever can not justifiy why a btb system being £200 - £300 more than a milltek is actually worth that amount...
Incase you dont know of milltek too much they are also the same group as falcon engineers an race automotives for the past 25 years

I dont have aproblem with what people buy.

Before we developed etc the BTB system i bet 99% of people on here had never heard of BTB. But with a bit of research you will find that they work with some very special peoiple, and on some very special cars. For example they do 99% of Prodrives WRC, GrpA and GrpN exhausts. They work with Aston Martin and have worked on the Caparo T1.

This might explain why sales have been quite low. Maybe if we put MAgnex or Miltek on the side of it people would go the extra mile and buy it. Shows the power of a brand name, rather than the quality of the product.

But anywho, like i said, dont have a problem with what people buy, each to thier own!

and for the record, the BTB is 595, so only 150 more than the Miltek.

 

[fmp_]

No aftermarket exhausts seem to fit the 182 properly. End of!

(IMO only of course)

what didnt you like about the fit of the BTB dan? always nice to get some feedback.

 

[rich[182]]

Have now done 75 miles since fitting, heres my thoughts...............

Fit & ease of fitting - 10/10 - RSTuning said it was very good too
Quality of welds - Who gives a f**k you can't see them unless it's on ramps lol
Quality of design - Technically I'm not qualified to say, but it fits a treat
Tailpipe finish - 10/10
Value for money - 10/10
Sound - spot on for me

I have to say that my initial reaction on startup at idle and then driving for first time I thought it would be a bit louder, but over the 70 miles it's got better, and to be honest at 38 years old living in a quiet culdesac I now think the sound is spot on, justified to me at 5pm today when I was next to a Saxo VTS that sounded awful, the Milltek has a nice burble at idle and is subtle arround town, great with right foot, great when blipping throttle and very very good on the motorway, def no annoying drone at 70mph

My wife cannot stand the stereotypical boy-racery zorst note so was a little anxious the Clio wasn't gonna be an embarassment, she thinks it sounds cool, I agree it's perfect for me Filled up with V-Power this aft and had a guy in a R32 ask me what it was, said he'd followed me into garage (for petrol !) and said it sounded nice when I'd floored it out of the roundabout, even stayed arround until I fired it up again, had a bit of a chat and he said it was different, even left by asking "have they got a website"

Main noticeable gains for me are the pull at the top end of 2nd & 3rd, and throttle response in 5th on motorway, noticeable improvements

Have since installed an ITG panel filter, Hillpower inlet bend and a minor mod to the cold air feed

No rattles or knocks or leaks, all in all I'm really pleased with everything

Haven't uploaded the pics yet, prob tomorrow

Cheers for everyones help, especially John for organising this, Milltek for being up for a group buy for a launch product, K-Tek for fantastic service and RSTuning for also providing great service

Rich :approve:

ps forgot to mention, I weighed both the OEM and Milltek, Milltek is 8.2kg lighter than the OEM

 

[fmp_]

Quality of welds - Who gives a f**k you can't see them unless it's on ramps lol

glad it fits the bill, one thing i will say... welds, you will give a f**k if they fail!(not sayin Milteks will mind)

but..... carry on!

 

[rich[182]]

I admit the welds aren't the prettiest things on the eyes, but I'm assuming they do what their supposed to do, and I'm basing this trust on the fact that Milltek are an established company with a good reputation, they'd been arround for the best part of 20yrs before nearly all the tuning places the majority of people on here use, and a significant number of people I know in the RS Owners club swear by them for their Cossies, Escorts and Focus's

 

[john182rs]

Yea ok if the welds go then he will give a f**k but then the welds could go on anything at all, also the deal i have had set up for people who got one through the group buy will be happy to know that you really dont have to worry about anything.

 

[fmp_]

I wasnt saying there is anything at all wrong with Miltek's welds. They look up to the job.

Was just commenting on his opinion on welds. They are more important than he thinks.

So its all good guys!

Did i read someone was doing some back to back power runs with various systems? has there been any results yet?

 

[davejm123]

Rich, glad your happy with the system matey!! tbh i feel exactly the same about it as you! i did ALOT of driving last night, and it got a little louder towards the end of the night, it really does sound so good!
very pleased i bought it

 

[rich[182]]

Videos don't do it justice tbh, various pics I took too aren't owt special, below is maybe ok

 

[davejm123]

sorry to 'bump' this thread again but i didnt really see the point in starting another. anyway re-fitted the cat joint today and all seems to be ok, didnt gun it too much as wanted to wait for the gum to completely set but it sounded like re fitting and pulling the adaptor out a bit more (HARD WORK!) seemed to work. but pulling it out means i had to slide the middle section into the backbox section more, i thought as i did this that i could inturn push the pipes out a little as they are too far in for my liking. anyway i had a go at moving the mounts back (using hammers allsorts!) but just couldnt do it. is the only way around this to get new, unrusted mounts? or am i going about the whole 'stick the pipes out a bit more' thing the wrong way?

 

[Jesske]

received my Milltek today, but backbox looks different than the one shown on page 2 and their website

 

[cal46]

ive been looking at the pic'c on this post to see how high in the bumper your milltek's sit. i had mine fitted last thursday and it sat to the right and down low. the guy that fitted it said i needed new rear mounts so i changed them the i noticed that the middel 1 had snaped so i changed that to and it still sits low. any ideas of how to make it sit higher in the bumper like yours?

will try and put sum pics up.

thanks callum

 

[Englebert]

Miltek flatter to decieve. Their exhausts are nothing special whatsoever.

Not everyone can afford the BTB exhaust but so long as you define 'best' as best built and best performance then you can't argue with it. I find it funny that people think £550 is actually a lot for a cat back exhaust. As i said before, i think FMP chose the wrong car to develop the exhaust for.

I have a Miltek on my VX before people moan i'm biast or whatever!

 

[davejm123]

bloody hell this has been bumped! there were some spacers under the OE mounts, i took these out (look like washers) and it made it sit higher. i might put one back on though as its a bit too far up i think. jesske, put a pic up mate be easier.
and mr Englebert, i am very happy with mine now....all problems have been solved and it puts a smile on my face everytime i drive it and alot of people comment on how nice it sounds. i didnt buy the btb as i prefer the look of the milltek....but each to their own i suppose.

 

[Jesske]

Mine is also too far to the right and too low. I ordered new mounts today.
I have experience with a few 182 exhausts and this one is really top.
I'm very sceptic about something new, but this one really feels a lot smooter in lower revs and when going to a higher gear. It sounds very quite, but awesome. A real dark sound.
I do have my doubts as I see the weldings of the backbox. I'm very sure they won't hold a long time.

Between the two backboxes, I have a connection with a mount. I can adjust the 2 boxes from position to the left or the right.

 

[fmp_]

BTB's currently on special offer!

only 500 pounds a pop!

The best just got better!

 

[john182rs]

Well Heres some videos of my car with the said system.
Excuse the guy talking he could not just keep his gob shut.
Off the lights an crusing at 70 and as you see me go through the national speed sign im in 3rd an throttle upto 70.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkuDz14Qgi4

And heres another of me in a park just blipping it.
http://s134.photobucket.com/albums/q118/john182rs/?action=view&current=Video001.flv

Sorry about the sh1t quality as its a 6280 video cam

 

[Tyson-182]

BTB's currently on special offer!

only 500 pounds a pop!

The best just got better!

FMP can you PM me more details?

Tys.

 

[Gaz_]

bump lol, fitted mine today..... hmmmmmm we (steve and i lol) had some issues with it. Cat joint and centre section is fine, but the rear is were we had problems. The whole unit seemed to want to pull towrds the drivers side far too much. Slackened off all the mounts, and to start with just pushed the sections togeter to fine tune fitment, but there wasnt any we could do? no joy. I also thought the hangers were too big for the mounts.... VERY tight fit? Anyway we 'modded it to suit with cable ties, and it sounds lovely, no leaks etc, just seemed thet the hangers were 10mm out?.