Clutch cable potentially to short?

[LewisTaylor]

Ok so my 182 i got cheap as the clutch was slipping, anyway changed the clutch, put it all back together, and i noticed that when putting the cable on gearbox that i had to pull the lever in alot to get it in, so once the cable was on it held the clutch slightly engaged (if that makes sense.) So i'm thinking that my cable is to short so is leaving the clutch slightly engaged when the pedal is up.

Has this happened before? Could anything be causing this?

 

[MG cup]

Check your pedal box clutch mechanism, could be misaligned/incorrectly fitted there.

 

[Dan@SJM]

Or the release bearing isn't sat properly on the fork

 

[Laine_16v]

Or the release bearing isn't sat properly on the fork

Absolute mare when you realise you might have to take the bxo off again, i make sure the first thing i do when the box is changed is to put the cable back on and test the pedal to make sure it feels OK.

 

[LewisTaylor]

Oh really? I thought it could only go on one way!?

 

[Dan@SJM]

it can. but, it slots into the 2 fingers on the release bearing, and if its the wrong side of these fingers it'll be too far away at the cable. it usually happens when putting the box back in. You can be lucky and be able to pull the fork up and slot it in correctly. Imo, if your certain its done it, youve nothing to loose by trying it.

 

[DannyR]

You can also split the box with out taking anything out an get your hands in if you need too

 

[LewisTaylor]

You can also split the box with out taking anything out an get your hands in if you need too

How do I do that? Need to get in sorted this week for rolling road next weekend :/

 

[DannyR]

Take wheel and hub out of the way so you don't need to drain gearbox.

Remove air filter and that.

Take off top gearbox mount and battery tray complete off of gearbox.

Undo gearbox bolts and wiggle off.

Be very careful of splitting driveshaft and gearbox oil everywhere, may as well just drain it.

Also disconnect reverse light switch plug and PAS pipe from front of block.

 

[d4vy]

FYI Lewis (may be completely wrong) when I brought the car I remember there being a receipt for a new clutch cable, some cheapie patented part.

 

[DannyR]

That saves some hassle then, just need a genuine clutch cable!

 

[LewisTaylor]

I think it's safe to say i have the bearing the wrong way round...

I moved the washer the other side of the lever in order to gain some kind of drivability. Anyway box is loose now, just need to wiggle it off tomorrow then put it all back together.

 

[LewisTaylor]

What a chore that was! much easier to do with engine out of car lol, box is now off, as i thought it all can only go one way round and i had it the right way!

This is how i had it, neither the bearing or arm can go any other way. New clutch cable on order, also replacing the bearing just incase that's a cheapy, i know the clutch is ok as it's off my ph1 and has only covered 2k.

 

[Budgie]

How you had it is correct.

 

[LewisTaylor]

So refitted the box today with a new release bearing. And fitted a new genuine clutch cable, but this one is even shorter it seems, surely i've got something wrong?

 

[Dan519]

How you had it is correct.

this

Is there an actual problem with how it drives? I don't think you had an issue

 

[LewisTaylor]

this

Is there an actual problem with how it drives? I don't think you had an issue

Yeah, clutch slipped, now put a genuine Renault clutch cable on and it's worse :/ I'm gonna have a good look tomorrow in the pedal box to make sure it's ok.

 

[Tony Hunter]

Lewis, I'm mechanically inept, and I fitted a new clutch cable, what have you done??

Has your new cable got the big heavy weight on the gearbox end?

 

[Dan519]

did you clean/de-grease the clutch and flywheel, and de-glaze the flywheel face with coarse sandpaper before fitting?

 

[LewisTaylor]

Lewis, I'm mechanically inept, and I fitted a new clutch cable, what have you done??

Has your new cable got the big heavy weight on the gearbox end?

Me too tbh, just removed the old one an replaced with the new one, there just doesn't seem to be enough slack at the gearbox end. Yes it has 2 weights on it. Going to get some more pictures tomorrow.

did you clean/de-grease the clutch and flywheel, and de-glaze the flywheel face with coarse sandpaper before fitting?

I don't think it's a problem with the clutch/flywheel. If you look in the photo below at the lever for the clutch on the gearbox, the new cable is that tight that it moves probably half way back once the cable is just in. (the picture has the old cable) I know that isn't right from my ph1 which i had the engine out of twice, i could put the clutch cable in and out with ease. I will get a photo with the new clutch cable on tomorrow.

I'm thinking/hoping i've fitted it wrong to the pedal box.

 

[DannyR]

Can the clutch plate only be fitted one way although it will physically fit both?

 

[Dan519]

Can the clutch plate only be fitted one way although it will physically fit both?

yes it's important to get it the right way

 

[Dan519]

cable looks normal in that pic to me by the way, you have to pull it out to hook it in

 

[DannyR]

I wonder if Lewis has put the plate in the wrong way causing it to be out a little further making the arm tight?

 

[Dan@SJM]

Clutch is slipping, so I'd say no. As it Wouldn't disengage to select to start with.

 

[Dan519]

Clutch is slipping, so I'd say no. As it Wouldn't disengage to select to start with.

no, that would be the other way round.

 

[Dan@SJM]

My reply was to dannyr. as if you put he plate in the wrong way generally(Not sure if the clios do it as I've never done it) they foul the flywheel bolts, so the clutch wouldnt disengage to be able to select a gear.

 

[Dan@SJM]

Just a thought, did the box come from a sport? as the little plastic bush that the fork pivots on is different across from the non soft pedal types.

 

[LewisTaylor]

So been out again this morning, was going to check the clutch cable in the pedal box, so put the car in gear then flicked the ignition to bump it forward a bit to get the door away from a wall when it lost all power Seriously get the feeling the car doesn't want to get fixed lol.

Anyway got a photo of the new cable against the box, where you see the lever for the clutch on the gearbox is where it is sitting when the clutch isn't engaged, the cable is almost out as far as it will go, probably another 10 20 mm top's more it can go, so you can imagaine when i put it on the clutch lever it pulls it in quite a bit.

I'm now starting to think i may have put the clutch plate part of the clutch the wrong way round forcing that lever further away. So got a couple of pictures of an old clutch if someone could tell me what side faces the flywheel. I will get my engine out an investigate that next weekend.

Side A

Side B

 

[Tony Hunter]

Just a thought, have you messed about with the ratchet thing that is above the pedal. I remember somebody having this problem before.

 

[Dan@SJM]

Side B goes against the flywheel.

 

[LewisTaylor]

Side B goes against the flywheel.

Thanks, will have a look next weekend... can't wait

Just a thought, have you messed about with the ratchet thing that is above the pedal. I remember somebody having this problem before.

Nope, just took the old cable out and replaced with the new one.

 

[DannyR]

It could of been adjusted before when everything was changed.

 

[LewisTaylor]

It could of been adjusted before when everything was changed.

what do you mean.

 

[Dan519]

it is worth removing the clutch pedal and ratchet mechanism to see if it's working right. Had a Scenic that gave me a real headache a few months back

 

[Tony Hunter]

I know Jay got a Clio cheap, as the old owner thought the clutch had gone, but it turned out to be this ratchet thingy.

 

[LewisTaylor]

Thanks guys will take it off next weekend and have a good look at it, what should i be looking for on it?

 

[tomtomox]

Thanks, will have a look next weekend... can't wait


Nope, just took the old cable out and replaced with the new one.

first of all the new cable you have fitted looks completly diffrent to the one that has been on my car from new so maybe just check that its the correct part for your car!

im also in the middle of replacing my clutch cable and i was wondering how did you get the cable out of the bulk head at the pedel end mine apears to be held in with a plastic clip thats attached to the cable but i cant get any tools close to the clip as the pedels are in the way did you need to remove the pedel box to remove the cable

please help iv be strugleing for ages to get it out!

 

[DannyR]

first of all the new cable you have fitted looks completly diffrent to the one that has been on my car from new so maybe just check that its the correct part for your car!

im also in the middle of replacing my clutch cable and i was wondering how did you get the cable out of the bulk head at the pedel end mine apears to be held in with a plastic clip thats attached to the cable but i cant get any tools close to the clip as the pedels are in the way did you need to remove the pedel box to remove the cable

please help iv be strugleing for ages to get it out!

New cable is 100% correct, revised part from Renault.

That plastic Clip I believe Lewis smashed out

 

[LewisTaylor]

New cable is 100% correct, revised part from Renault.

That plastic Clip I believe Lewis smashed out

Aye wood chisel and hammer got that out

My problem is still unsolved, too wet to work on car today.