Apex... Are they that bad??

[Sam]

I ran with some 60MM ones on my old clio for 18 months and didn't find a problem.

 

[Bradderz93]

erm ever thought about vmaxx coilovers? ive heard theyre really good and not to badly priced?

 

[Naith]

in answer to the OP, they are crap. really crap.

no doubt you'll still buy them though.

 

[d6n]

I've got them and I find them extremely bumpy. I actually get a bit embrassed when i've got passengers as it's like a car full of nodding dogs!

However, they do look very good and the car is 10 years old on stock suspension all but the springs.

I never really thought about looking into different shocks / dampers to suit the springs. Would probably be cheaper buying a set of coilovers maybe.

 

[Chip-mk1]

d6n, sounds like you have missed the same point that all the people saying they are rubbish have.

They are springs, they have a spring rate that needs to be sat with a suitable rate good quality damper, the standard dampers are good quality but arent firm enough.

If you run something like an H&R rear damper though, they work well.


The eibachs are a much tamer spring so you can get away with them on the standard damper, which is why people think they are better.


Its just a lack of understanding of the relationship between the spring rates and damper rates that causes people to think there is something wrong with the springs themselves when they are actually fine if used correctly.

From what I have seen though the dampers that get sold with them dont last long, so I would avoid those personally.

 

[Martin_172]

best way to put it is, stick a set of sportlines on a 172/182 and they are pretty well suited to the standard dampers, fit a set to a non RS and they are horrible! uprate the dampers on the non RS and they are decent again! as chip says its how good or bad the full combo you have is not just the springs.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Good analogy with the non sport dampers,yes that is exactly the point.

 

[d6n]

Chip, I haven't missed the point, I said they were very bumpy with stock suspension.

What set up would you recommend then to suit the apex?

 

[Chip-mk1]

Chip, I haven't missed the point, I said they were very bumpy with stock suspension.

What set up would you recommend then to suit the apex?

On my car I have H&R rear shocks with apex rear springs and they seem quite well matched, so thats one option, although not a very cheap one.

I dont know of a reliable cheap shock that will suit them well I am afraid mate, I wasnt making a recomendation really, I was just saying its not that there is anything actually wrong or crap about the springs like people were claiming, its just that they are using them with either poor quality or mismatched dampers.

 

[MartinR]

Linear and progressive. Massive difference in how they ride

 

[Cookson]

Mine ran well with koni shocks on

 

[The Russian.]

Soooo to get some positive answers and soone info.

Whats the best setup, ie, springs, dampers, shocks ??

Price range £0-£200

0 being the standard setup from stock???

Answers please

 

[Harpham]

^ Clarkey, I just drove past you (was driving my dad's car though)

I want more info on these PI's. They seem a pretty rare brand when it comes to 1*2's.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Soooo to get some positive answers and soone info.

Whats the best setup, ie, springs, dampers, shocks ??

Price range £0-£200

0 being the standard setup from stock???

Answers please

If your shocks are in good nick, just get a set of eibach springs, they work really well, they are common for a reason.

 

[The Russian.]

^ Clarkey, I just drove past you (was driving my dad's car though)

I want more info on these PI's. They seem a pretty rare brand when it comes to 1*2's.

Did you, in Alfreton fella ?

Im with you on this Harpham, want a better stance and to fill arches gap better but after mick (diamond motors) and my car for a lot of work I'm a little right with money.

 

[Owen_m]

Not that bad, I intend to change to coilovers but the stance is great on mine .... I want it lower though!

 

[HoleInOne]

I have Apex shocks & springs (On the car when I brought it) the car also has all the bushes uprated and I find the ride very hard and bumpy although it sticks to the road like you know what

I'll be looking to change to something a little softer I think

 

[DannyR]

erm ever thought about vmaxx coilovers? ive heard theyre really good and not to badly priced?

FLOL, there even worse!

 

[Chip-mk1]

Cheap springs are generally ok, cheap shocks though are best avoided. Coilovers therefore fall into the last category, best avoided on the cheap ones, unless you dont mind replacing them once a year, lol

 

[Dan519]

Just fitted some PI's to a ph1 that came in with 2 broken standard springs. Sits lovely and drives spot on IMO