hehe.beats the s**t outta the 17/82s for pure driving pleasure
dunno about that, took long enough to get the keys back from you last week!
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How quick is a clio williams?
- Thread starter Clio_dci100
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dunno about that, took long enough to get the keys back from you last week!
thats cos i couldnt find the ignition
but i think i enjoyed the drive in the williams a whole lot more than you did in the 172, even tho it was gettin a bit scary lol..and the std brakes with uprated pads didnt give up either....
and the 172 brakes are far better than the williams'
but i think i enjoyed the drive in the williams a whole lot more than you did in the 172, even tho it was gettin a bit scary lol..and the std brakes with uprated pads didnt give up either....
and the 172 brakes are far better than the williams'
Clio Dci100 Dynamique
ok look i need to make a decision here, is it gonna be the williams or teh cup 172? i wanna know which is quickest to 60, most economical & best handling
depends what you want it for tbh.
comfort..gotta be the williams. the mk 1 seats in the valver/willy are prob the comfiest seats in a std prod car, def of its time, poss even still so.
speed....again. the willy would take this, only just tho.
fun....theres only 1 car in this...can you see where im going??
lol
as jesus says, only way to decide is actually go drive one.
as for engines....the std willy btm end will b fine. as iv said before, they are bulletproof....unless u let some clueless knob work on it then things will inevitably go wrong. eh jesus
susp. again. each to their own. but i prefer the ride on the coilies. i hate the body roll lol. can cover ground as quick as std, but you feel safer whilst doing so. unless the roads are extremely bad.
comfort..gotta be the williams. the mk 1 seats in the valver/willy are prob the comfiest seats in a std prod car, def of its time, poss even still so.
speed....again. the willy would take this, only just tho.
fun....theres only 1 car in this...can you see where im going??
lol
as jesus says, only way to decide is actually go drive one.
as for engines....the std willy btm end will b fine. as iv said before, they are bulletproof....unless u let some clueless knob work on it then things will inevitably go wrong. eh jesus
susp. again. each to their own. but i prefer the ride on the coilies. i hate the body roll lol. can cover ground as quick as std, but you feel safer whilst doing so. unless the roads are extremely bad.
as for engines....the std willy btm end will b fine. as iv said before, they are bulletproof....unless u let some clueless knob work on it then things will inevitably go wrong. eh jesus
yeah thanks for reminding me... why do you think I dont goto Ben anymore? lol
Clio Dci100 Dynamique
How much does it cost to fill rite up? if you ran it into the red i mean
Need to know from an actual owner plse and it would get me worst case 60 miles to a tenner? also are we talking unleaded or the more expensive optimax?
Need to know from an actual owner plse
and it would get me worst case 60 miles to a tenner? also are we talking unleaded or the more expensive optimax? Williams you can run fine on 95, I never really noticed a difference as far as I can remember, maybe get a bit more out of a tank, but i did that many miles with so much mized country lane and motorway that it's impossible to tell.
To fill up it used to cost me about £35-40 (depending on fuel type) from empty (well, just before the warning light came on). Mine was easy to run in terms of petrol and insurance, it was the fact it broke down a lot that cost me money... but then that was more who I let work on the car being a total untrustworthy little fuckwit. After that it only went to 2 live tuning and it was much better for it.
To fill up it used to cost me about £35-40 (depending on fuel type) from empty (well, just before the warning light came on). Mine was easy to run in terms of petrol and insurance, it was the fact it broke down a lot that cost me money... but then that was more who I let work on the car being a total untrustworthy little fuckwit. After that it only went to 2 live tuning and it was much better for it.
How much does it cost to fill rite up? if you ran it into the red i mean
Need to know from an actual owner plse
You will definately get a guaranteed 60 mile to £10 from a williams unless something is far wrong, chances are you will get a little more than that tbh. Also they run fine on unleaded, I keep meaning to fill up with optimax once to see if there is a difference but a combination of being a poor student and usually forgetting means I've yet to try it.
Vw caddy tdi
Williams has got to be a better drivers car they handle amazin standard with slight cam reprofile pulley's flowed head and chip my friend s willy 3 eats my ph1 wiv cat back and its not even been set up properley yet! dread to think what ital go like wen it has I need some mods.... Williams1 my fav
Williams 1
williams :race: all the way, the new shape clios look gay
Forget it get the 2.0 bottome end for the Megan or a whole williams engine
The williams has different cams and head work as such bigger valves so a porte valver head will give more gains than a williams head then theres cams
A rebuilt williams on its own is very quick realy.
Can't belive I missed this thread! The Ben H view is thus:
I've owned a re-built 16V, Williams, Ph2 172 and now a 197. In order of straight line speed, I'd say it goes like:
1. Williams
2. 197
3. 16V
4. 172 Ph2
This is a pretty naive list and I'm going to qualify that statement with some "buts"... the first being that this isn't about 0-60 measures, just perceptions.
My Williams would just about hang onto the back of a Fiat Coupe 20V Turbo, which those in the know will appreciate is a very, very quick car in a straight line (still the fastest factory FWD ever?). I know my 172 wasn't that quick, because I owned it in between two 20V Turbos! Then again, I'd say my 197 and 172 felt quicker to 60 than the Williams... it's all very confusing and probably makes the point that 0-60 and 0-100 aren't always good measures.
The second "but" is that I think all of the Renaultsport Clios are subject to about 15% variability in terms of power output. Hence I witnessed, like others, plenty of Williams making 175bhp while others made 145bhp on the rollers with no visible differences in tune. Same with the Mk2 Clios and I'd say so now with the Mk3 197 variants!
The third "but" is that this variability rarely translates into a big gap out on the road IMO. If you take the standard performance measures for a 16V and a 197, the 16V should get spanked. But throw in the two previous "buts" and it's a lot closer than you'd think.
I've owned a re-built 16V, Williams, Ph2 172 and now a 197. In order of straight line speed, I'd say it goes like:
1. Williams
2. 197
3. 16V
4. 172 Ph2
This is a pretty naive list and I'm going to qualify that statement with some "buts"... the first being that this isn't about 0-60 measures, just perceptions.
My Williams would just about hang onto the back of a Fiat Coupe 20V Turbo, which those in the know will appreciate is a very, very quick car in a straight line (still the fastest factory FWD ever?). I know my 172 wasn't that quick, because I owned it in between two 20V Turbos! Then again, I'd say my 197 and 172 felt quicker to 60 than the Williams... it's all very confusing and probably makes the point that 0-60 and 0-100 aren't always good measures.
The second "but" is that I think all of the Renaultsport Clios are subject to about 15% variability in terms of power output. Hence I witnessed, like others, plenty of Williams making 175bhp while others made 145bhp on the rollers with no visible differences in tune. Same with the Mk2 Clios and I'd say so now with the Mk3 197 variants!
The third "but" is that this variability rarely translates into a big gap out on the road IMO. If you take the standard performance measures for a 16V and a 197, the 16V should get spanked. But throw in the two previous "buts" and it's a lot closer than you'd think.
Pissed all over loads of cars since i put mine back on the road, 182, gsi astra, 325 bmw, saxos but the best was with a civic type r on the way home from work,it went on for a good three to four miles and he could not leave me. Only when around 120-130 i could see him pull a small gap.
power to weight is about equal.
Mk2 V6, MK1 Track Sl#g
having owned all pretty much all the clio sport range (apart from the 197) i'd have to say the williams is probably the most fun i've ever had to drive, it just has such a grunt that you don't get from a 182/172. I mean i love my vee 6 but i just love the way the williams handles and drives, you can just throw the williams into a corner and it just goes round it. I don't know how ppl manage to crash them, i drive mine (bit modded though) pretty hard and can safely say i've never managed to run into anything or end up in any fields
indeed! Full of pisch this thread! Std for std a willy will NOT beat any 172.
Sac your PTW ratio's in reality the 172 WILL beat the williams.
I've had both and it's evidently quicker.
Canny comment on the 197 top end!
yeah his Williams was a total s**t box, so he doesn't have a clue if we're honest. "yeah my s**t Williams that you'd be lucky to make it turn over was slower than my 172"... well there's a shock for the ages.
Question is has a 172 ever run a 14.0 with just the back seats out and basic mods? Answer is a resounding "NO". Chris' is the closest with a 14.1 and is generally considered a freak. Someone will no doubt mention TimO's as well, but that was totally stripped out and modded, in which case Martin's car is the best comparison, the Willy engined valver that ran a 13.8... guess that makes the Willy quicker
My missus has a Ph2 172, had a Ph1 172 and neither were even remotely in the same league as my Williams as totally standard, even her Ph1 which was modded as well. Sorry to burst your bubble Mk2 owners, but the Mk1's are faster, the Mk1 vs Mk2 day was dominated by the Mk1's as well, if it wasn't for Lucky's 172 iirc it would have been a white wash, iirc they were using RSI's to give the full fats a chance
ive owned a valver and a ph1 172. my 172 was also known as a 'quick one' by those who toyed with it/went out in it i.e markcup.
ROund here we have something called the bridge run, come off a roundabout, at 30mph then floor it, see what you can get. My 172 used to make 100mph every single time. the valver matched it.
ROund here we have something called the bridge run, come off a roundabout, at 30mph then floor it, see what you can get. My 172 used to make 100mph every single time. the valver matched it.
That's actually funny, as we have a same bridge run where I live, only the speeds you get are a little higher so it's obviously a longer road, but missus 172 used to get around 110-112, my Williams was getting 117 and my 172 on ITB's gets near 130 for comparisons sake lol
well they set place is like i say 100mph away, my valver with the 172 lump in is making 125mph now... fook.
notice u didnt mention gravel traps
lol
and jon....was 14.6 with just seats out and zorst mods for mine.
172 box now.
yeah his Williams was a total s**t box, so he doesn't have a clue if we're honest. "yeah my s**t Williams that you'd be lucky to make it turn over was slower than my 172"... well there's a shock for the ages.
Question is has a 172 ever run a 14.0 with just the back seats out and basic mods? Answer is a resounding "NO". Chris' is the closest with a 14.1 and is generally considered a freak. Someone will no doubt mention TimO's as well, but that was totally stripped out and modded, in which case Martin's car is the best comparison, the Willy engined valver that ran a 13.8... guess that makes the Willy quicker
My missus has a Ph2 172, had a Ph1 172 and neither were even remotely in the same league as my Williams as totally standard, even her Ph1 which was modded as well. Sorry to burst your bubble Mk2 owners, but the Mk1's are faster, the Mk1 vs Mk2 day was dominated by the Mk1's as well, if it wasn't for Lucky's 172 iirc it would have been a white wash, iirc they were using RSI's to give the full fats a chance
I was just being a little more diplomatic
But I like your blunt approach.
that will be why your "seeing" high speed...the speedo ratio isnt matched to the valver clocks....
same with a few of the other boxes, thats why people quote 130-odd-mph in 4th etc!
he knows it was a shitbox thats why he sold ityeah his Williams was a total s**t box, so he doesn't have a clue if we're honest. "yeah my s**t Williams that you'd be lucky to make it turn over was slower than my 172"... well there's a shock for the ages.
Question is has a 172 ever run a 14.0 with just the back seats out and basic mods? Answer is a resounding "NO". Chris' is the closest with a 14.1 and is generally considered a freak. Someone will no doubt mention TimO's as well, but that was totally stripped out and modded, in which case Martin's car is the best comparison, the Willy engined valver that ran a 13.8... guess that makes the Willy quicker
My missus has a Ph2 172, had a Ph1 172 and neither were even remotely in the same league as my Williams as totally standard, even her Ph1 which was modded as well. Sorry to burst your bubble Mk2 owners, but the Mk1's are faster, the Mk1 vs Mk2 day was dominated by the Mk1's as well, if it wasn't for Lucky's 172 iirc it would have been a white wash, iirc they were using RSI's to give the full fats a chance
I was just being a little more diplomatic
But I like your blunt approach.
but gettin back on topic.
how many 172s can do this??
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4sHSPoJKjt4
with just simple mods.
odd, reads fine on gps.
he knows it was a s**tbox thats why he sold itI was just being a little more diplomatic
But I like your blunt approach.
but gettin back on topic.
how many 172s can do this??
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4sHSPoJKjt4
with just simple mods.
How was mine a shi tter??, none of you's even seen it! It was Mint bodywork wise...Want me to produce the pics again!!??
Yes the box went...Woopy do, it had done over 60k!!!!!!!!!! IMO thats the longest any mk1 box has gone for! The Car had done 102k when i sold it.
Had an incident with it at cadwell where the caliper sheared off...Fair play, mayb we over tighened something and stressed the bolt. I'm no blaming the car for that! Was more upset that i'd got to about 50yrs from the track and couldn't get on
Jon....1st off! lol...Who gives a flyin fcuk about 1/4 miles! Honestly man give it up! Do you line up at the trafficlights and race everyone. That i doubt! I 100% agree that the willy gets off the line better and on a 1/4 it probably would win! Going by current and previous results it's evident the Mk1 is a better 1/4 car. But you honestly think from 50plus which is far more important to me the willy is going to keep up! NO BLOODY WAY! My willy ran 158bhp and Big iain's old 172 killed me about 90! And his was std.
Mine kept up with 3 other willy's i met up with, infact i was catchin two of them up to about 100! Mine only had a zorst and decat if we're bein fair and honest.
Don't get me wrong the willy is a cool wee car I don't have any real regrets...Other than it didn't live up to what i thought it would...If you want to die in an exciting/painful manner the willy is defo up there with the likes of base jumping and Swimmin wi sharks!
