incy-spiders Clio 182 turbo

incy-spider · Apr 20, 2014

Yeah that's the one!

Andyrg@ ClioTurbo · Apr 21, 2014

The latter firmware does control the boost Control. But the earlier versions don't a little bit of a downfall there when gems designed that.

The three port mac valves are great, I think laine for his from my self a while back great bits of kit but the n 75 valve works well although I've never tried then.

Good work chris!

incy-spider · Apr 21, 2014

Andyrg said:
The latter firmware does control the boost Control. But the earlier versions don't a little bit of a downfall there when gems designed that.

The three port mac valves are great, I think laine for his from my self a while back great bits of kit but the n 75 valve works well although I've never tried then.

Good work chris!

Cheers buddy!!

incy-spider · May 7, 2014

Got this little lot to put in at some point before my ring trip, fuel starvation is not going to annoy me anymore!!

Chi · May 7, 2014

Brilliant build mate..

EvoFq3o0 · May 7, 2014

Stop it Chris! I'm fed up of you doing awesome things now when I can't even drive mine keep up the good work, you keep providing me with ideas

incy-spider · May 7, 2014

EvoFq3o0 said:
Stop it Chris! I'm fed up of you doing awesome things now when I can't even drive mine keep up the good work, you keep providing me with ideas

Haha!! Got a little plan for a cool little setup to, will post up some pics when I have done it

EvoFq3o0 · May 8, 2014

Look forward to that more pics the better! While I'm here Chris I've ordered the mac valve but how does that work alongside the actuator? I was kind of discouraged from needing it but from what you mentioned it's a win.

Chi · May 8, 2014

EvoFq3o0 said:
Look forward to that more pics the better! While I'm here Chris I've ordered the mac valve but how does that work alongside the actuator? I was kind of discouraged from needing it but from what you mentioned it's a win.

Update please Si

you'd of been better asking Chris to sort your build for you.

EvoFq3o0 · May 8, 2014

Will text you mate, looking like yet another week though.

Yeh Chris would have done an epic job no doubt, looking back though I wish I hadn't even bothered, lets hope when I get it I'll feel different.

incy-spider · May 8, 2014

Basically it bleeds off pressure to the actuator to stop the wastegate opening so more boost can be achieved, there needs to be a base limit set on the actuator then the ecu controls how much boost it needs by opening and closing the valve very quickly, obviously you need to get who ever is doing your mapping to setup boost control in your ecu. It's not just a case of putting it on and driving on!

EvoFq3o0 · May 8, 2014

Brilliant thanks for that Chris, yeh it gets delivered tomorrow so will take it to be fitted after the running in stage before it's final map. Hope this helps things, a little worried that the gt25 wouldn't perform well higher up the revs especially pushing it to 280.

incy-spider · May 8, 2014

Is it a hybrid?

EvoFq3o0 · May 8, 2014

I don't think so was the gt25 from ktecs low pressure kit.

George182 · May 8, 2014

It's great to see so many turbo conversions happening!

DTM Cars Ltd · May 10, 2014

Happy days mate

looks epic

Chip-mk1 · May 11, 2014

George182 said:
It's great to see so many turbo conversions happening!

Agreed.

The Clio is such a capable little chassis that it really does make sense.

Ross009 · May 11, 2014

Chip-mk1 said:
Agreed.

The Clio is such a capable little chassis that it really does make sense.

This sums it up I love mine at 230bhp and standard compression doesn't feel sluggish off boost and feels really balanced can't wait to get out on track

incy-spider · May 11, 2014

Bilstiens should be here tomorrow!!

incy-spider · May 12, 2014

No billies but did do a bit if mocking up of my swirl pot, got a nice brass connector to keep the hard pipe up to the rail from the external pump so that's cool, think I'm going to just hide it in the boot when finished, build a little step with the pump and pipe work underneath. More tomorrow if the suspension doesn't show up!

Johnc172 · May 14, 2014

Great build dude! Loving the details!

I'll be sticking a swirl pot on mine when it's back from mapping too, so interested in what your finished set up will be!

incy-spider · May 14, 2014

Bit more progress, tidying up and clipping to do tomorrow then start on boxing it in and hiding it all!

incy-spider · May 22, 2014

Put the pump underneith the car, was making to much noise in the boot, tomorrow I'm going to dump the standard fuel line to the rail and run one directly from the back to the front so it will be all external, can't see the point of running a line from the outside, in then out again!

incy-spider · May 28, 2014

If anyone is interested in doing a swirlpot system for your Clio, don't use an 044 pump it's massively overkill, stupidly noisy and a waste of money, I have just put an 017 inline pump in which is similar to the 255lph in the tank and it's perfect, the 044 was making it too rich on idle and just generally stuffed the fuelling up. I don't think the standard rail FPR can keep up with the flow of the 044... Anyway no more cutting out around hard right handers

Cupman29 · May 28, 2014

If you have gone through all the time and expense of this fuel setup, why not change the fpr to a better one anyway?

It is one of the key things in a fuel setup that could destroy your engine if not working correctly. The fpr should return any additional fuel to the tank anyway.

Dan@SJM · May 28, 2014

FYI the VAG 20vt range fuel pressure regs work in the clio rail.

WilkyWay · May 28, 2014

Dan@SJM said:
FYI the VAG 20vt range fuel pressure regs work in the clio rail.

Not without modification.

incy-spider · May 28, 2014

Nothing wrong with the brand new Renault FPR, also that is what it was mapped with, the 017 pump I have works so nice now no need to upgrade the FPR to allow stupid flowing pumps! It's only £49 for the 044 so will sell it back on. Anyone want a used once sytec 044 with all the fittings £30? Free postage

Dan@SJM · May 28, 2014

WilkyWay said:
Not without modification.

They do. I'm running one in my ph1.

Dan@SJM · May 28, 2014

incy-spider said:
Nothing wrong with the brand new Renault FPR, also that is what it was mapped with, the 017 pump I have works so nice now no need to upgrade the FPR to allow stupid flowing pumps! It's only £49 for the 044 so will sell it back on. Anyone want a used once sytec 044 with all the fittings £30? Free postage

I'll take it.

incy-spider · May 28, 2014

Send me payment via Paypal mate, incy-spider@hotmail.com (cover the charges) I'll get it sent tmoro!

incy-spider · May 28, 2014

Cheers Dan!

Cupman29 · May 29, 2014

I would not use a standard N/A FPR on a turbo build. What is the max pressure it can achieve at full boost?

A 044 pump is about 300lph so a decent fpr should be able to return the surplus to tank.

If you dont go above 260hp then a smaller pump would be ok I would think.

incy-spider · May 29, 2014

044 Flow rate - 378ltr/hr(Max)
Flow rate - 318ltr/hr @ 3bar
Flow rate - 258ltr/hr @ 5 bar good for 400bhp

017 Flow rate (max) - 264 ltr/hr
Flow rate @ 3bar - 201 ltr/hr
Flow rate @ 5bar - 165 ltr/hr good for 250bhp

I'm only around 230 - 240bhp so the Renault FPR is suitable and works fine for my spec. Think they are 3bar?

NorthloopCup · May 29, 2014

The flow figures for any fuel pump are voltage related as well gents. You need a good 13v supply to get the maximum out of them. A genuine Bosch 044 will do 500hp happily as well. I've got one.

Also incy-spider do those fuel pipes just pass through the bodyshell with sealant around them or do they have grommets?

incy-spider · May 29, 2014

Grommets mate, courtesy of Landrover!

Laine_16v · May 29, 2014

Chris savage appears to be churning the full flow of the syvec equivalent of a 044 through the stock rail and pressure regulator (well from the pics he has posted), and managing 500 odd bhp, as well as maintaining the original hard line feed (gotta be less than 8mm I/D?)

The bosch 044 seem to excel in keeping flow rights high at higher fuel pressures (which is so very important), where other pumps do not cope so well. Swirl pot is one of the things at the top of my list to sort.

Regardles, awsome progress Incy and its making me crave mine back so much!

NorthloopCup · May 29, 2014

Laine_16v said:
Chris savage appears to be churning the full flow of the syvec equivalent of a 044 through the stock rail and pressure regulator (well from the pics he has posted), and managing 500 odd bhp, as well as maintaining the original hard line feed (gotta be less than 8mm I/D?)

The bosch 044 seem to excel in keeping flow rights high at higher fuel pressures (which is so very important), where other pumps do not cope so well. Swirl pot is one of the things at the top of my list to sort.

Regardles, awsome progress Incy and its making me crave mine back so much!

Want a 044 and 1.5ltr swirl pot?!? It's all on jic fittings as well.

incy-spider · May 30, 2014

Laine_16v said:
Chris savage appears to be churning the full flow of the syvec equivalent of a 044 through the stock rail and pressure regulator (well from the pics he has posted), and managing 500 odd bhp, as well as maintaining the original hard line feed (gotta be less than 8mm I/D?)

The bosch 044 seem to excel in keeping flow rights high at higher fuel pressures (which is so very important), where other pumps do not cope so well. Swirl pot is one of the things at the top of my list to sort.

Regardles, awsome progress Incy and its making me crave mine back so much!

Yeah no doubting it worked, just not on my setup, he's probably running bigger injectors, different fuelling etc. As an addition to my already setup, mapped car the 044 wasn't right.

The 044 is defo the choice for bigger HP cars. Not going down that road though

Cheers mate, I'm well happy with it as it stands now!

Dan@SJM · May 30, 2014

Received the pump

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