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182 FF Arctic
LAD.....Lol
Darren S
ClioSport Club Member
Why 200 as a figure specifically? Potentially, that can be a lot of ££££ for not much gain, imo. I'd personally aim for much higher figures and forced induction...
D.
ForceIndia
ClioSport Club Member
Gentlemans spec 200
Why? If you're determined to spend money on chasing power, drive a few cars and decide which setup to go for, or at least passenger rides.
But if powers your aim, you've got the wrong car.
But if powers your aim, you've got the wrong car.
Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
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Sell clio. Buy something else.
Or talk to JMS if you have about £1800 to spare.
well bbr do the 202 pack for about 900 quid would that not be good then na ive had loads of cars i just love throwing this lil clio round i just wanna keep it n/a but near 200bhp... i will buy another car when im bored of this one thanks!!!!!!! wouldnt cams, matched inlet, air filter, exhuast, remapp get near that 195bhp
ForceIndia
ClioSport Club Member
Gentlemans spec 200
You mean morego? Lol. I've driven one of those cars (their own demo 182). No way 202bhp, not even close. I'd be surprised if it broke the 190 barrier in all honesty. To get close to 200, you need to budget roughly twice that. But don't get hung up on the number 200, utter mugs game.
The Boosh!
ClioSport Admin
Elise, Duster
You're money is better spent on suspension, brakes and driver tuition IMO.
Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
BBR/Morego. ROFL. The new LAD iirc.
Do a search. I know of a Morego 202 that was rolling roaded recently at less than standard bhp ... great way to spend £1500. Not.
I suggest using the search function tbh, this gets asked at least 15 times a day, & im too lazy to type up a detailed post on the subject.
For a true 200bhp, the easiest/cheapest approach is Colombo & Barini camshafts & a JMS RS2+ inlet. Will cost about £2.5k
It's probably 182bhp considering they started with about 172.
Have a read:
Last week a customer contacted me expressing an interest in carrying out an RS2 Manifold conversion on his 182 to complement the 202 bhp he already had. I found it intriguing that at no point with a £1600 package had he been provided with any sort of graph demonstrating the cars raised output.
Last week he came over to us and we took the car to a local RR that we implement for all of our development work so I could attain a bench mark / gather data from the car before we can began work on it.
I had already prepared the unfortunate chap for the eventuality that his car would not make 202 bhp with the work the package includes (reground cams, live remap, exhaust & a sports filter). I was however still expecting 190 ish at a push (as per mild cams *usual* results)
Anyway:
(the blank space in the info boxes are simply where I have removed the numbeplate info used for the file names.)
Most worryingly the chap had added matched inlets after the 202 conversion had been completed, so I expect the true figure the car left MG with would have been even lower!
The graph appeared strangely similar to a stock car (albeit lightly tuned), so we pulled up a graph from our database of our own 182 (blue lines) around a year ago for comparison:
The car has none of the characteristic changes in torque delivery I would expect from a different cam profile. I wonder if anything has actually be done internally? The only thing that stops me from comitting to this train of thought 100% is that the car has the characteristic 'tappiness' of a reground cam.
Anyway I have posted this up as it frustrates me more than anything. With this sort of tuning going on no wonder people refer to tuning cars a being a 'mugs game', it not only screws over an individual, it also damages the faith people carry in the industry. :dapprove:
ye i red that but everyones cars are different aint they but ye i thought it sounded too good to be true i dont want exactly 200 just near that would be cool but if its guna cost me that much i might aswell just get a few second hand bits and a remap see what figures i get maybe some second hand itb's that must add 20bhp surly
ForceIndia
ClioSport Club Member
Gentlemans spec 200
What else have you done to the car? What sort of use does it get (ie purely road, track, mixture etc)?
Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
And again.
For a true 200bhp, the easiest/cheapest approach is Colombo & Barini camshafts & a JMS RS2+ inlet. Will cost about £2.5k
Or read Russ_16v's project thread.
Evo 5 RS
Ouch!
Why second hand out of interest?
The Boosh!
ClioSport Admin
Elise, Duster
Probably your cheapest way to get 200bhp (per tonne mind
).Look at Mark Cup's 172!
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/show...-Cup-s-weight-loss-go&highlight=200+per+tonne
ForceIndia
ClioSport Club Member
Gentlemans spec 200
Stripping renders most cars as shite when it comes to being everyday useable.
Just an option also depends how he uses it. Thats i was thinking more bhp per tonne.
Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
Why do you want 200bhp anyway?
On a dry day R888's will add 200bhp to your cars speed over ground.
Tuition will add another 100bhp.
And having a sh1t before you drive will add another 50bhp.
Add them all together and you have a clio with over 500bhp.
On a dry day R888's will add 200bhp to your cars speed over ground.
Tuition will add another 100bhp.
And having a sh1t before you drive will add another 50bhp.
Add them all together and you have a clio with over 500bhp.
ForceIndia
ClioSport Club Member
Gentlemans spec 200
888's are cheating iirc.
Trophy Turbo :)
Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
R888's. Making hero's out of monkeys since 2003.
Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
Grip for show
Dab of oppo for a pro
Dab of oppo for a pro
ForceIndia
ClioSport Club Member
Gentlemans spec 200
It's kind of a joke fella. But at the same time, I don't understand people that go out to be quicker than the next man on a track day.
888's give a lot more grip, so more wear on all suspension and braking components, pointless for me. I like the added responsiveness from the stiffer sidewall, but that's why I'd run rs2's over r888's. You get the responsiveness without the massive grip.
Jamie86
ClioSport Club Member
RS175,595,205gti,172
260% JCW
And the difference in cost. R888's are silly money.
