Dont know much about engines but...

[CDMullins]

Can i 1.2 be 'bored out' to 1598cc. Guy i was speaking to reckoned he could do it for around £1200. If this is possible(and would would i need/cost?), What other mods can be done from there??? Superchip, ECU remap etc?

 

[Plattsy]

i cant see the diddy 1.2 lump being bored out by 400cc, could be wrong though...id expect it to go to around 1300-1400cc.
If you got it bored you would probably need it remapping for the fueling or it probably wont run right.
Best thing to do is get a cam(s) in and a map

 

[CDMullins]

He mentioned new cams and pistons! He's a bit of a whizz and is just starting his own tuning place! Was wundering, could be er... interesting!!!!

 

[john.med]

why not just buy a bigger engine 172 engines are cheaper than 1200 big boys, as long as all the ancillaries and ECU came with it you'd be alright wouldn't you?

 

[CDMullins]

Would you really be able to buy and fit a 172 engine for £1200? Would you not need new breaks and new gearbox aswell?

Not been sarcastic, i really dont know!

 

[badinvincible]

Can i 1.2 be 'bored out' to 1598cc. Guy i was speaking to reckoned he could do it for around £1200. If this is possible(and would would i need/cost?), What other mods can be done from there??? Superchip, ECU remap etc?

Well, you're thinking about other mods too, remaps, TBs, cams etc ain't cheap. At least with the F4R conversion, you get decent power out the box.

 

[Friction]

nope, dont thinkso

no doubt it could be managed by boring the block, and increased the stoke somehow aswell - not cost effective though!

For £1200, i'd be saving another £300 and going for a 172 conversion

 

[CDMullins]

"At least with the F4R conversion, you get decent power out the box." Gobbledegoog to me mate!!!!

The £1200 is with everything, Cams, pistons 'boring' and fitting!

 

[badinvincible]

The standard 172 engine will give you decent power without having to mess about with cams, TBs etc.

 

[CDMullins]

How much? Realistically for good quality engine + anything else i would need, parts only? What about R5GT Turbo?

 

[badinvincible]

j3ned is your man.

 

[M1TCH]

Would you really be able to buy and fit a 172 engine for £1200? Would you not need new breaks and new gearbox aswell?

Not been sarcastic, i really dont know!

Course it can!!!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

 

[makavelli]

i may be wrong but im sure j3ned does a 172 conversion for 2K!

 

[SeanM86]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RENAULT-CLIO-...578280729QQcategoryZ10410QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
That looks good

 

[Fred@BTM]

no point, i think j3ned does the conversion "kit" (not fitted) for £1500+vat

thats for a 172 conversion

even if you started with a 1.6 as a base engine, you'd have to spend at least £3K to get it to the same power as the 172 lump

 

[theduck]

you can get a 1.6 8v to 172 power for 3k?? fred do tell me more

 

[Fred@BTM]

notice i said AT LEAST, as in minimum

the 16V 1.6 is a better base engine, the 8v is a bit crap (sorry)

 

[theduck]

lol thats what i thought, is the 8v engine the same as the 16v engine baring the head?

 

[CDMullins]

Too much jaragon!!!

Liking the sound of the 172 conversion vo! Time to pay debt of and give the car the engine it deserves!

 

[len_beach]

This may have been summed up before (Fred?) but you start with what, 75bhp, yuou spend £1200 notes having the engine modded to within a mm of its life, literally and you achieve 110bhp. Maybe. An F4R 172 is rated at 172 PS which equates to roughly 169bhp. I reckon you could pick an engine up and do the conversion yourself, maybe with the help of a friend or 2 for £1500 notes and you would destroy the 1.2 engined mod monster.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RENAULT-CLIO-...578280729QQcategoryZ10410QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

[Friction]

lol thats what i thought, is the 8v engine the same as the 16v engine baring the head?

dont thinkso

 

[CDMullins]

Could fit it myself ??????????????????????????????

Is it like a jig-saw?

 

[len_beach]

Not quite like a jigsaw. I have never done a Clio but have managed a Vauxhalls. You said you mate was a bit a whizz. Tell him to keep a weekend free, buy him a crate and away you go. Job done.

 

[Smokey]

a full 172 conversion will cost you about £2k fella, thats your best option imho

 

[edde]

You won't get the engine bored out for £1.2k with all the bits for a few reasons.
1) The block wouldn't survive that much bigger.
The pistons you'd need would be so big and heavy you'd have to limit rpm so much so that you won't get much ectra power.
J3neds £1.5k+ vat 172 conversion includes everything you need engine gearbox ecu suspension brakes keys dashboard radiator etc. You'll just have to have the relevent throtle body cable/wire done (depending on you car / the transplant cars throttle) and swop the bits over it just will take some time to swop it all over.

 

[Hector]

hiya chris, think a conversion is a good idea when youve got some spare cash. Maybe not a 172 engine though, why not try something different (maybe even from another car manufacturer). Know a fella with a lovely calibra engine he'd love to get rid of

 

[Plattsy]

id go with a different engine instead of spending tht on it buts all upto you in the end, much easier to modify current engine than to get a newer engine but there is more of a future and further tuning potential with the likes of a 172 engine. as people have said it will cost around £300 more and will have alot more power than the modded 1200. plus it will be a hell of alot more reliable. either a 1600 16v rsi engine or 172 power is the best bet!

 

[BenR]

alternatively, if he's such a whizz, challenge him to it or your money back.

 

[Smokey]

dont forget the 1500+VAt is for parts alone, then you gotta get it fitted

 

[Gaz_]

hope this doesn't draaaaaaag on like the other work, anyway i thought you said 'im only a young lad and i can't afford to insure a 172.......' hense why you put that chav bodykit on it?

 

[Smokey]

Now now gaz............ Mullins is talking sense at last leave him be

 

[MarkM]

£6000 for body kit + £2000 engine conversion + £2000 (a guess) for the original car = £10000

You could get a nearly new 182 for that and it would be easier to insure

 

[patty]

stick a 172 engine in it, the other idea is gay as

 

[CDMullins]

"You could get a nearly new 182"
Why would i want a standard 182 that is same as 95% of other 182's on the road????
Modifying is about been different.

"thought you said 'im only a young lad and i can't afford to insure a 172"
Thinking of 6-8 months, get my big pay rise in January + another years no claims.

 

[16v_jon]

get it done mine cost 2500 including fk's exhaust and viper + rsport ecu will take a competant mechanic a weekend to do and mine is cheaper to insure than a 172 (for me)