Custom order connecting rods ( con rods )

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

Anyone know a place I can get the them made?

Contacted my local engineers , they have quoted me 640£ but it doesn't included VAT or labour for them
in other words it's looking over a 1k to have them done.

Does that look right?
Chip-mk1

 

[Fred@BTM]

seeing as you're in Nuneaton, just go to http://www.farndon.com/ (their sister company make rods) but you will wait a LONG time

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

That's who I've asked Fred
they seem abit reluctant to make me a set. Even after I've been in and given them a spare rod to measure

Already got my Mahle pistons coming from France

 

[Fred@BTM]

my mate works for Mahle motorsport! Arrow precision in Hinkley could do them, but you'd be £1500 a set easily, you not compared them to F4R out of interest?

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

Good people over at Mahle, sorted me a set of k9k pistons for around £500 delivered from France. Actually was less hassle to get pistons from them than over here

Nope haven't compared them to an F4r rod, I wouldn't think they would be the same size ?

134mm C-C , 26mm small end, 47.6 big end

 

[Chip-mk1]

Good people over at Mahle, sorted me a set of k9k pistons for around £500 delivered from France. Actually was less hassle to get pistons from them than over here

Nope haven't compared them to an F4r rod, I wouldn't think they would be the same size ?

134mm C-C , 26mm small end, 47.6 big end

Very different to F4R ones then, far shorter and totally different end sizes.


you will struggle to get them cheap unless you buy from china and want 100+ of them

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

I don't mind paying over 1k , it was just fardon didn't really want to do them as diesels isn't their thing ...

i had looked at turbo 5's rods but they are way to small

 

[Fred@BTM]

F4R for ref

Big End Diameter:	51.593
G/Pin Diameter:	21.000
Between Centres:	144.000
Big End Width:	24.950
Small End Width:	24.950

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

Don't think I could get away with using them Fred. Not far off tho.

Will give arrow a ring

 

[Chip-mk1]

Don't think I could get away with using them Fred. Not far off tho.

Will give arrow a ring

Not far off?

they are a million miles away, lol

 

[AlexW]

This for a 1.5?

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

Well yeah you know what I mean

trying to view them on an iPhone ain't easy

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

This for a 1.5?

Yeah , getting a ph1 for another diesel conversion.
Keeping this 1.5

 

[AlexW]

Should be good, big bucks though.

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

I know! Will be a laugh to drive when it's built tho.

 

[Chip-mk1]

What are you doing for a pump?

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

Mondeo 130hp pump

making a bracket for it to mount to the engine.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Mondeo 130hp pump

making a bracket for it to mount to the engine.

is that big enough for what you want? Surely you are aiming 200bhp with what you are doing?

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

It's flows enough for 120mg/stroke , should be plenty in the little 1.5

plus on the upgrade side, that pump can be modified being two stage not a crappy single stage pump that I have now

200hp will be my aim, wether the engine can do that will be another question.

Someone did have a 180hp one but it threw a few rods

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

Anyone know another make of car that has the same size rods?

ive looked at vw's, found a rod that's 47.6 big and 133 c-c but the small end is 22

 

[JamesWilson]

Anyone know another make of car that has the same size rods?

ive looked at vw's, found a rod that's 47.6 big and 133 c-c but the small end is 22

is there enough material around the small end to bore the hole out to the size you need?

 

[leew88]

What about vw 1.4 tdi or fords 1.4tdci etc are they not close

Or the old pug 1.5d xud iirc

 

[Chip-mk1]

is there enough material around the small end to bore the hole out to the size you need?

If he hadnt already rushed in and bought pistons he could have just bought pistons with the pin size of the VW.

Width needs to be correct too of course though not just diameter!

 

[Chip-mk1]

What about vw 1.4 tdi or fords 1.4tdci etc are they not close

Or the old pug 1.5d xud iirc

No point in you listing loads of engines without providing the numbers as well TBH

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

Those mahle pistons won't go to waste even if I don't use them, I'll put them In the GFs DCI engine seems as that due a set of rings anyway

only problem I've got trying to use those vw pistons that match the rods spec that I posted above is they're 1.4s.

Pistons going to be to small for the bore of the DCI block

 

[Chip-mk1]

Those mahle pistons won't go to waste even if I don't use them, I'll put them In the GFs DCI engine seems as that due a set of rings anyway

only problem I've got trying to use those vw pistons that match the rods spec that I posted above is they're 1.4s.

Pistons going to be to small for the bore of the DCI block

I meant get some custom pistons done to match the rods if you cant get custom rods done to match the pistons.

CP or similar would do it im sure.

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

I'll have a gander !

will be fun to have a set made I would think, seems as the pistons have the big swirl pot for better burning.

couldnt I get my mahle's customized to run a smaller small end, brass bush pushed in ?

 

[Chip-mk1]

I'll have a gander !

will be fun to have a set made I would think, seems as the pistons have the big swirl pot for better burning.

couldnt I get my mahle's customized to run a smaller small end, brass bush pushed in ?

Yes potentially modifying your mahles might be a good way to go.

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

- 136mm center - center
- 24mm small end with bronze bushing
- 50.6mm big end
- 2 piece forged from 40CrNiMo steel
- comes with ARP 2000 bolts and assembly instructions
- shoot peened and heat treated
- weight is 560 gram included bolts, with a tolerance of +- 1gram
- Designed to use TDI rod bearings which are far better than the 1.6TD
- Price complete set: 350.00 €

dam, am, closest rod I've found yet, rosten Hbeam 1.6 TD vw rods

 

[Chip-mk1]

Still too far out to be useful sadly.

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

Anybody know how to speak Norwegian ?

Might just seem (. With luck ) if Rosten can do me the DCI rods

will get there eventually, if all else fails I will have to use the Lads in Hinckley

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

Just a thought, I've been asked if the rods have slots for the bearing.

i know the DCI 65/80 don't have toothed big end bearings....

need to find out if the mk3 platform DCI lumps run toothed bearings and the same size big end.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Just a thought, I've been asked if the rods have slots for the bearing.

i know the DCI 65/80 don't have toothed big end bearings....

need to find out if the mk3 platform DCI lumps run toothed bearings and the same size big end.

I would be surprised if they do, renault seem to favour no tags, from what Ive seen on the newer petrol stuff anyway, last of the sporty petrol renaults Ive seen with tags is the williams.

Easy enough to add though.

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

only thing I would have trouble with is sourcing a set of shells with tags.

tbh I haven't seen many dci's spin shells unless badly serviced

 

[Chip-mk1]

You can use untagged shells in tagged rods.

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

good to know, thanks chip

 

[George182]

Anybody know how to speak Norwegian ?

Might just seem (. With luck ) if Rosten can do me the DCI rods

will get there eventually, if all else fails I will have to use the Lads in Hinckley

My Dad's girlfriend is Norwegian, if you need anything translated drop me a PM and i'll see what I can do.

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

cheers George, i'll wait and see when I get the email back from them.

 

[Ph1 Tom]

Try these guys, well respected in the Scooby community and make good rods.

Andy Williams is who you want to talk to.

http://wms-racing.com/

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

cheers, will have a gander