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right,
so my car is mapped at the min with the rstuner.
Should i re-load the map now and agian?
eventually looking at stand alone and ITBs
172 - 249bhp @ the wheels
Stock ECU mapping sucks full stop. Imo forget cams, just get a standalone, will give similar gains to cams and remaping the Renault ECU but wont idle at 3k and is future proof.
No it won't give you the same gains as cams as you are still limited with regards delivered air mass i.e. there is no more of it. Just because you can put the fuel and spark in a different place doesn't mean you'll create more power - the standard ECU is already calibrated to achieve MBT at as many points as possible and runs KLSA anywhere else.
There are a lot of reasons for fitting an aftermarket ECU and it can be very justified but don't think you'll find more power just because of it!
Cheers
M
Point me in the direction of a 197 with cams that idles at 3k... Oh wait... you cant.
I've explained why the 197 needs aftermarket above, this is the ONLY reason it needs it. The ECU is simply far too clever.
172 - 249bhp @ the wheels
The ECU itself may not give more power per say, but my car made more power and torque through the range on a standalone than other cars with cams and stock mapped ECU's done by popular stock ECU tuners.
My faith in the current climate to map standard Renault ECU's isn't that great, so I'm more going off real world results that what can theoretically be achieved, but you make a fair point none the less. I should word things more carefully, but I'm lazy.
Can you map the stock ECU on all models of Clio's Icarus? I have a stock ECU for a Williams that increased performance, but over time got slower and less economical in terms of delivered MPG. Taking the battery off for several hours would cure it, but it does become a little annoying.
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ITB'd MK1
blind em with TLAs. excellent
LOL
Have these cams fitted myself, dyno'd at 211bhp up from a std 192bhp, no bad gains.
But bloody expensive cams ( £700 just for parts + another £120 for cambelt kit! )
As for the ECU, mines been mapped for around 4 months now and i too heard this little rumour about the ECU going back to std setup so went back to where i had my remap done and asked em to check it. Everything was how they left it, still running 211bhp too.
Not saying it doesnt happen, but it hasnt to mine.
From spking to kevo at FCS i was under the impression the reason his map kept leaning out was due to his custom induction kit causing havoc with a few sensors...
But bloody expensive cams ( £700 just for parts + another £120 for cambelt kit! )
As for the ECU, mines been mapped for around 4 months now and i too heard this little rumour about the ECU going back to std setup so went back to where i had my remap done and asked em to check it. Everything was how they left it, still running 211bhp too.
Not saying it doesnt happen, but it hasnt to mine.
From spking to kevo at FCS i was under the impression the reason his map kept leaning out was due to his custom induction kit causing havoc with a few sensors...
MBT stands for: Minimum advance for best Torque
KLSA stands for: Knock Limited spark advance
Turbo LY R27
What cams you got ben? Im looking into this at the me and trying to decide whats best to go for, cant seem to find many places that do em?:S where did you get em from? What has the torque fig's gone up to now? Did you get them fitted somewhere or do it yourself. If so what sort of price was it coz i take it from those figure's you had it mapped as well?
Sorry for all the questions lol!
PM me if you like mate, cheers
Mike
No kevo not back til next week but i'll be at trax, without the 197 though im afriad
Mike,
I have cat cams fitted, the same as kevos. I got AmD Tuning to fit mine, they are a german tuning specialist but happily worked on my car and did a pukka job of it too, best remappers i've ever used, wouldnt use anyone else personally.
My torque figure didnt produce as impressive results as my bhp, due to me running a decat which increases bhp but loses alot of mid range torque. The car is dead until at least 4500rpm. Cant remember torque figures off the top of my head.
Fitting was £400 and the remap was another £400. Any more questions just ask mate.
Mike,
I have cat cams fitted, the same as kevos. I got AmD Tuning to fit mine, they are a german tuning specialist but happily worked on my car and did a pukka job of it too, best remappers i've ever used, wouldnt use anyone else personally.
My torque figure didnt produce as impressive results as my bhp, due to me running a decat which increases bhp but loses alot of mid range torque. The car is dead until at least 4500rpm. Cant remember torque figures off the top of my head.
Fitting was £400 and the remap was another £400. Any more questions just ask mate.
172 5HED
No kevo not back til next week but i'll be at trax, without the 197 though im afriad
Sweet, will see you then, car has cahnged a little more now lol!
Turbo LY R27
Cheers ben, where abouts are they based? Did you pay 700 for the cams? Are they the 402's?
Thats def some good gains from yours, impressive 192bhp from standard, i hope mines about the same, it was run in well lol!!
Cheers for replying mate big help, when it comes to it ill prob do the same as you did!
Thats def some good gains from yours, impressive 192bhp from standard, i hope mines about the same, it was run in well lol!!
Cheers for replying mate big help, when it comes to it ill prob do the same as you did!
Whats the induction set up on yours?
Hi Ben X
Ollie, 1200 to buy fit and map wont be enough!
i might just buy a stand-alone and install that and go from there.....
No kevo not back til next week but i'll be at trax, without the 197 though im afriad
Mike,
I have cat cams fitted, the same as kevos. I got AmD Tuning to fit mine, they are a german tuning specialist but happily worked on my car and did a pukka job of it too, best remappers i've ever used, wouldnt use anyone else personally.
My torque figure didnt produce as impressive results as my bhp, due to me running a decat which increases bhp but loses alot of mid range torque. The car is dead until at least 4500rpm. Cant remember torque figures off the top of my head.
Fitting was £400 and the remap was another £400. Any more questions just ask mate.
so £1700 ish
(£120 cambelt kit
£700 cams
£400 fitting
£400 map)
No kevo not back til next week but i'll be at trax, without the 197 though im afriad
Mike,
I have cat cams fitted, the same as kevos. I got AmD Tuning to fit mine, they are a german tuning specialist but happily worked on my car and did a pukka job of it too, best remappers i've ever used, wouldnt use anyone else personally.
My torque figure didnt produce as impressive results as my bhp, due to me running a decat which increases bhp but loses alot of mid range torque. The car is dead until at least 4500rpm. Cant remember torque figures off the top of my head.
Fitting was £400 and the remap was another £400. Any more questions just ask mate.
take it 192bhp was a standard car?
then u got decat-cams n map?
Car was standard running 192bhp yes, to get 211bhp i had cams, decat and yozzasport exhaust and matched inlets with PTFE gaskets to suit.
Induction setup is standard airbox with Panel filter and heatwrapped, slight gains to be had from Induction kit but its alot of money/hassle, best speaking to kevo about that.
Induction setup is standard airbox with Panel filter and heatwrapped, slight gains to be had from Induction kit but its alot of money/hassle, best speaking to kevo about that.
