clio 172
Im tempted to remove the air con now is there any real point will i gain much weight reduction. Also which is the best kit to go for. Cheers
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Air con delete is it worth doin
- Thread starter Msphotographic
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This is what I gained from removing the air-con, although Chip did strongly disagree with the results lol
This is what I gained from removing the air-con, although Chip did strongly disagree with the results lol
5 turbo or just a standard 1.4 lump?
but why is a 172 cup significantly faster than a 172/182 with AC then?
PMS kit is £130
You can use some R5 parts to do it.
82 00 031 832 upper alternator mount
77 00 718 613 lower adjustable mount to tension the belt
77 03 101 094 long screw for alternator
you also need a smaller belt like a 5pk825, i think that was a R19 one.
Its much cheaper than buying a kit
Do you know prices for these parts?
Surely if a 172 cup was 5bhp more than a normal 172... it wouldnt be a 172?
It's worth it just to free up some space in the engine bay imo.
I'd consider doing it to save a little weight and free some space up if it was cheap but i dont fancy paying around 100 quid for it!
It can be done cheap, there's several cheaper ways to do it!
havent had air con in both my clios, can't say I miss it! Though I don't do many miles in it.
whoever needs aircon in this country, fairies!
The PMS kit is very simple doesnt seem worth the money, but youre paying for the R&D not the finished product. I'd only remove the compressor if it was broken though tbh, there is very little resistance on the pulley when you spin it by hand but i guess you do save a few KG's
The PMS kit is very simple doesnt seem worth the money, but youre paying for the R&D not the finished product. I'd only remove the compressor if it was broken though tbh, there is very little resistance on the pulley when you spin it by hand but i guess you do save a few KG's
Fletcher
ClioSport Club Member
Yes. I have a the PMS lightweight version sat I the garage ready to fit.
Cheapest way?
Roy, not sure if you live in the UK or not but i think the hottest its been with me is probably about 25º. And an open window will do fine
Search it, people use a variety of parts like Laguna brackets etc.
ive driven my car in 30'c for about 10hours, I don't mind driving with the windows down though.
ive driven my car in 30'c for about 10hours, I don't mind driving with the windows down though.
KTM 990 SD / S60 D5
Makes little to no difference, only worth it if you are stripping back the whole car.
I've done mine, but the cup set up cost me nothing as I was breaking a cup. Well I bought a new belt, so counts as a cheap aux belt change
It's a decent weight saving, especially when your removing the AC heater box and puttin in a cup one. Must be 20kg+ and gives a lot more room in the engine bay.
It's a decent weight saving, especially when your removing the AC heater box and puttin in a cup one. Must be 20kg+ and gives a lot more room in the engine bay.
mikekean
ClioSport Club Member
996 C4S, 135i, E30x2
What a lot of people seem to forget is the quoted 172 PS from Renault would have been with the engine on a Dyno with more than likely no alternator or auxilary parts running off the crank. Alternator, PAS & Aircon pumps all sap power from the engine. So a 172 cup will effectivley show more power at the wheels, although It will be marginal.
Fletcher
ClioSport Club Member
Depends on what the car is used for.
My 172 (track car/ weekend toy) is completly stripped out, so every bit of weight saving helps. You gain more power and cambelt/ aux belt changes are cheaper easier, and it frees up more space in the engine bay.
However I would never own a daily driver without AC fitted.
Maybe worth it for a weight saving and extra space but not so much a power gaining modification. You're going to drive around track with the AC on, well you might! But the AC only engages when is it activated, otherwise the pulley is just like an idler pulley.
There's quite a few components to the aircon and it'll all add up in weight. To make the most of the savings the heater box needs replacing too for a non AC version which someone posted a few posts up.
As in the other thread the about this linked in one of the earlier posts the bigger gain is from replacing the knackered alternator
You might get more of a power gain going for the EPAS than removing the AC if its just a couple of bhp you're after.
I like the aircon as it makes life much easier if you're stuck in traffic with the kids in the back!
If its because racecar then get rid of the AC and go EPAS.
There's quite a few components to the aircon and it'll all add up in weight. To make the most of the savings the heater box needs replacing too for a non AC version which someone posted a few posts up.
As in the other thread the about this linked in one of the earlier posts the bigger gain is from replacing the knackered alternator
You might get more of a power gain going for the EPAS than removing the AC if its just a couple of bhp you're after.
I like the aircon as it makes life much easier if you're stuck in traffic with the kids in the back!
If its because racecar then get rid of the AC and go EPAS.
The Beardo
ClioSport Club Member
Kangoo 182
On the subject of removing air con system, what do people do with regards to the digital climate control, do they swap it over for a cup/ base model controller?
Fletcher
ClioSport Club Member
IIRC you can keep the existing CC controls.
Cam belt changes used to be a fair bit cheaper although not sure what the exact difference in price is these days.
Auxiliary belt will be cheaper on the Cup. Just a belt needed no tensioner kit plus reduced labour times on this and cambelt work.
Or to sum it up, there is more advantage to removing than not but it all comes down to personal preference.
