230BHP Turbo conversion...whats the catch (besides the price)

[Stefan.]

Just been reading this and just after some feedback if there is stuff not mentioned that would be needed.

http://www.engine-dynamics.com/TurboConversion/pid685/cid103/ClioSport1722F182TurboConversionKit230BHP.asp

http://www.engine-dynamics.com/_templates/departments/pdf/172turbo.pdf

 

[r900smp]

Anyone been to these guys if so I want that done!

 

[Lee P]

If only i had 6 grand to throw at my car! I would take the 280bhp setup and everything they offer on the list :L

 

[Tony Hunter]

Ask Chip on here, he's just done a Turbo conversion.

 

[not normal dan]

I do believe there's a couple of lads on this site running the engine dynamics (old bb performance tuning) kit. I follow the guys on facebook and looks like they've been doing some tidy work if do say so myself.

 

[Martin.]

I've heard a lot of good things about Engine Dynamics. They have been very helpful to me in the past too.

That does seem like a fantastic price!!

 

[Fletcher]

Good power gains for the money. I still think I would go for ITB'S mind.

 

[Chip-mk1]

It's a reasonable conversion but is a bit limited by not running a proper aftermarket Ecu. It uses a piggyback which isn't really ideal if you ever want to go further with it but works ok at this level.
Its good value for what you get although some of the parts they use on the bigger power conversions like cheap auto factor head bolts wouldn't be my choice, so the costs are down partly by skimping on certain parts that personally I would prefer to over engineer but everything they do is well priced and you could soon change a few bits around if you wanted to.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Good power gains for the money. I still think I would go for ITB'S mind.

Depends what the car is for, the extra midrange torque of a turbo is very nice on the road. The itbs delivery is nice but they really do only make a modest power increase really for a lot of money.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Ps, bare in mind that a thicker head gasket isn't a five min job to fit if considering going DIY for fitment.

 

[not normal dan]

Ps, bare in mind that a thicker head gasket isn't a five min job to fit if considering going DIY for fitment.

So you can add another 160 quid for a cam and aux kit if your doing yourself

 

[Ph1 Tom]

For £3100 fully fitted its a pretty good price tbf. I'm saving for it at the moment

 

[davo172]

Ps, bare in mind that a thicker head gasket isn't a five min job to fit if considering going DIY for fitment.

Do you think it will make 230 chip ? provided car is in good health of course and how reliable is that at that spec IYO ??

 

[Fletcher]

Depends what the car is for, the extra midrange torque of a turbo is very nice on the road. The itbs delivery is nice but they really do only make a modest power increase really for a lot of money.

Yes mate. ITB'S are expensive for the gains. But I love the instant delivery, and noise. I am not personally chasing BHP figures, so a ITB kit would probably suit my needs better.

 

[urquattrogus]

What about fitting a Megane 225 engine? Or is this a lot of hassle?

 

[Fletcher]

What about fitting a Megane 225 engine? Or is this a lot of hassle?

More hassle. You need to change the gearbox etc..

 

[Chip-mk1]

Do you think it will make 230 chip ? provided car is in good health of course and how reliable is that at that spec IYO ??

Assuming they are using a suitable spec of turbo charger, which I am sure they are then I see no reason at all for that not to make 230bhp, in fact I would wager that its capable of more if you had a decent clutch, however in terms of how reliable it will be, thats going to be largely down to the way its driven and the conditon of your core engine to start with, the rings are going to wear out far quicker now than if left alone and not turbo'd but in most cases it should last 10s of thousands of miles, but they obviously cant warranty your engine which could be about to go bang even if you dont fit a turbo to it.

Personally I would go the route that Mike at MWM does on his conversions and use a proper aftermarket ECU instead of an AEM piggyback as it gives you so much more scope in the future, but if you only ever want 230bhp, then this is certainly an affordable way to get it.

 

[Chip-mk1]

What about fitting a Megane 225 engine? Or is this a lot of hassle?

It is a different bolt pattern where the block bolts to the gearbox, and even after you have fitted it what management are you going to run it on etc?
Its not like dropping a LET into a corsa where its all very self contained and the box easily fits etc.

 

[MikeClio172SPT]

Ive ordered the 280 kit. hasnt come yet though

 

[Ph1 Tom]

The benefit of the 230 and 280 kits from Engine Dynamics is that the piggyback system allows you to retain all of the ECU controlled functions and the air conditioning.

 

[Andy_con]

wow they are in kelvedon 15 mins away from me

 

[Chip-mk1]

The benefit of the 230 and 280 kits from Engine Dynamics is that the piggyback system allows you to retain all of the ECU controlled functions and the air conditioning.

Yes, and the downside is it doesnt allow you increase ignition advance off boost.

Where as if you use a full stand alone unit you can still leave the existing ecu to do those functions, but you get full control as well, but obviously then the cost goes up.

 

[Andy_con]

with 280bhp are there any standard 182 gear box concerns?

 

[MikeClio172SPT]

with 280bhp are there any standard 182 gear box concerns?

without a doubt yes..... there weak in standard form if abused. depends how its going to be driven.

 

[Andy_con]

fair enough, thought id ask

 

[Chip-mk1]

with 280bhp are there any standard 182 gear box concerns?

Yes, and also really IMHO if you are going to use it in anger (ie genuinely try quite hard on track) you need a diff at that point too (in fact even on 230bhp you will find one very useful), and that makes the box even more likely to fail of course as the lower gears now have more grip and hence more strain on the box.

And if you want more power (VERY easy to achieve) then the box situation gets even worse if using it hard, personally Im kind of feeling that 280ish is about the most there is any point having in one of these cars really for trackday use, anymore wont really make it any more fun as even 280 is good for pretty crazy acceleration already and more will just break things sooner, hence I didnt just swap the turbo and intercooler on mine to get a load more when I recently rebuild it with forged internals etc, Id have every confidence in the engine if I put another couple of hundred bhp through it in its current spec but the gearbox would no doubt fall in half for a past time.

 

[Andy_con]

i wouldnt use the car on track, really just to and from work and weekends

 

[Chip-mk1]

i wouldnt use the car on track, really just to and from work and weekends

I think you would really enjoy a clio turbo then mate, they really do pile on the speed effortlessly on the road as these are quite light cars compared to most 2 litre turbo cars.

 

[batesey]

i spoke with scoff about the Aem ECU they use as i was thinking about it for mine, he said by the time you've bought an rstuner to flash the standard ecu andthe cost of it i might aswell go with adaptronic management

 

[Chip-mk1]

i spoke with scoff about the Aem ECU they use as i was thinking about it for mine, he said by the time you've bought an rstuner to flash the standard ecu andthe cost of it i might aswell go with adaptronic management

I agree with scoff totally, aftermarket is a far better option.

I am sure that ED will supply the kit without management though and at a reduced cost, so im not saying let it put you off the kit, just ask them to change it for you.

 

[batesey]

I agree with scoff totally, aftermarket is a far better option.

I am sure that ED will supply the kit without management though and at a reduced cost, so im not saying let it put you off the kit, just ask them to change it for you.

I've already got a hybrid t28, bbpt manifold and downpipe, oil feed/return, spark plugs, 225 injectors, nimbus , just need boost pipe hoses and gaskets, oil, coolant etc , its booked in with scoff in march for a custom loom and adaptronic then i'll bolt it all on and map it

 

[Chip-mk1]

Cool, should go well that mate

 

[Daz.]

Shhhh - this hasn't been seen by anyone........... This was obviously not me making a slight error in posting........

At all....




In regards to the actual thread I have a turbo and I like it - make me go vroom......

 

[Chip-mk1]

Liking this....


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Yes that seems particularly relevant to a thread about clio turbos, thanks for sharing with us.

 

[Daz.]

Yes that seems particularly relevant to a thread about clio turbos, thanks for sharing with us.

Button it

 

[tonyd106]

Been talking a lot to the boss about turbo charging the clio, can't see me selling it anytime soon so don't mind spending some money on it.

 

[tonyd106]

Chip what management do you use with yours out of interest?

 

[Chip-mk1]

Mine is on mtec v4 which is basically a commercialised version of the mega squirt system. Really really capable, things like the boost control are a match for any high end Ecu.

People who don't know what they are on about with regards to management will just hear the mega squirt words in that and draw totally the wrong conclusion no doubt. Lol. I remember seeing a comment along those lines from a trader on here in fact on mikes original thread about my car when jack who worked for Mwm owned it. I did have a little chuckle to myself that people probably think the person commenting had the first idea what he was on about and took notice. (Even though its just someone who resells ktec products and maps etc mainly anyway from what I've seen since)

 

[ConnorCup]

I'm very local to engine dynamics, and i've seen alot of their work. Its done to a very good standard and I would recommend them.
3k isn't that bad for a drive in drive out full turbo conversion either imho. Heres a snap of a 182t they done last week...

 

[guysy]

I had my belts changed at Engine Dynamics, Andy I think is the blokes name? Nice bloke, think he was setting up his office at the time.