220 trophy vs fiesta st 200 track battle

[220Trophy]

not in English but lap times at the end....

Ive been wondering how the new ST200 would compare on track to the clio trophy, I knew the regular ST was a little way behind but I thought the 200 might be better.

By the way, I'm not putting the fiesta down, its really great, better than the clio in some ways, but for outright ability it seems the clio is still a little in front.

 

[imprezaworks]

I'd still take the fiesta though

But both cool cars

 

[BoatNonce]

I think it's always been known that the clio is technically the quickest.

 

[Mr Plums]

I totally agree with both of them tbh, especially on the grip levels and auto box.

 

[ashtons99]

They would probably have done quicker lap times if they spent more time going forward and less going sideways....mind numbing footage !

 

[Mr Burns]

They would probably have done quicker lap times if they spent more time going forward and less going sideways....mind numbing footage !

Fifth Gear used to make me laugh when Tiff would say "Time for a fast lap" then slide the car round on opposite lock at every opportunity.

 

[ForceIndia]

Fifth Gear used to make me laugh when Tiff would say "Time for a fast lap" then slide the car round on opposite lock at every opportunity.

They weren't the actual timed laps

 

[Mr Burns]

They weren't the actual timed laps :wink:

Obviously, but then Tony would remind us that they lie about the results anyway!

 

[massiveCoRbyn]

Not hugely surprising. The thing, it isn't the pace of the Clio that people criticise...

 

[Al_G]

The new Civic Type R was quicker round the TG track than the new Focus RS. I know which one I'd buy though...

The box would be a deal breaker on the Trophy. Neither deliver blistering performance, its all about the feel, the drive....Smiles per miles over track times, all day, everyday.

 

[BoatNonce]

The new Civic Type R was quicker round the TG track than the new Focus RS. I know which one I'd buy though...

The box would be a deal breaker on the Trophy. Neither deliver blistering performance, its all about the feel, the drive....Smiles per miles over track times, all day, everyday.

Apparently the box on the trophy's much better.

 

[Al_G]

Apparently the box on the trophy's much better.

Better suited than a manual?

 

[BoatNonce]

Personally I'll take a proper sequential over an average manual.

But then by my terms a proper sequential is this;


If it was as responsive as that, yes, I'd take it. But a transmission that fast won't be seen in a road car for a long time.

 

[Mr Plums]

Personally I'll take a proper sequential over an average manual.

But then by my terms a proper sequential is this;


If it was as responsive as that, yes, I'd take it.

Is that a dogbox?

 

[imprezaworks]

That is awesome

 

[BoatNonce]

Is that a dogbox?

Dog box/crash box is just a normal gearbox but uses dogs to engage the gears for quick shifting rather than the normal synchros, they're still h-pattern boxes.
A sequential box shifts even quicker but you don't put the lever in a gear - you pull back to shift up, you push forward to shift down. They use dogs too but they're not just a 'dog box'

 

[ForceIndia]

Apparently the box on the trophy's much better.

Still crap according to the evo writer I spoke to. He said the magazines have taken it pretty easy on Renault, because they are brilliant to deal with in terms of press cars and long termers.

Anyone that's driven the 200 edc and vag dsg can see the issues after only a few miles. A 2005 golf has a better box , and the games moved on massively since then.

 

[Ojc]

"According to"

It's bang average in auto I agree, in manual I can't see how you could possibly improve it? It's instantaneous.

I can drive it around town without having to rev the arse off it to get it to overtake your average diesel hatchback unlike my previous 197 but when I want to take it to the track I switch it to manual and have fun.

 

[220Trophy]

not all journos are so harsh towards it now, there are some good reviews out there.
This ones quite positive

 

[220Trophy]

"According to"

It's bang average in auto I agree, in manual I can't see how you could possibly improve it? It's instantaneous.

I can drive it around town without having to rev the arse off it to get it to overtake your average diesel hatchback unlike my previous 197 but when I want to take it to the track I switch it to manual and have fun.

I agree with your sentiment , I have thought the same...how can you improve on instantaneous ?, gears change in 0.75 of a second, or less than a tenth of a second.
I think its the feel of it that some people don't like, in that it dilutes the fun, or loses the fun and control of a manual box, its seems most folk want a hot hatch to always have a manual box. Ive read and seen numerous reviews that say there is nothing wrong with the trophies gearbox, other than its not a manual. Well that's just not a reason to me, especially when it makes the car faster.
For me it doesn't lose any of the fun of a manual, in race mode it Is manual, but better and faster.
Thank goodness we are all different.
David

 

[Ojc]

I've never listened to anyone who reviews cars, prefer to get in them and drive them. I'd seen the reviews of the 200EDC when it came out and always thought I need to give it a go when the time comes and then came along the 220 just at the time I wanted to move my 197 on.

I drove it having never really driven an auto and was blown away by how good it was, instantly made my 197 feel like a prehistoric rock.

I pushed my 197 to the limits on track days but the Trophy would run rings around it.