NorthloopCup
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Weld ftw!
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172 Ph1
Liquid metal is the sophisticated stuff [emoji6] . Not sure if it will affect weight in any way though .
IE a s**t load of weights to counteract
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
Nothing that wouldn't balance out mate.
So the clio passed it's MOT yesterday! Which is good! It was also my 21st birthday so happy days!
The rear brakes were showing about 28kgs of effort, and 1 kg less with the bias valve reduced... So one point the bias valve does s**t alll haha
Second point the rears still lock up.. So I'm going to use the pressure reducers on a mk4 fiesta and put a couple of the inline to the rear brakes. This should hopefully sort it, aswell as obviously buying a working bias valve (my one wasn't even a bad make - OBP i think
So those who remember I had problems with the fuel tank in my ph1, well I got a bit drill happy.
Turns out the previous owner of the shell did aswell, and there is also a hole in the top of this tank [emoji85] [emoji36] This was only apparent after the MOT when I filled up half a tank where I was driving home and the rear bench started to fill up with fuel the pump was totally dry so I was very confused... So got it back had a little feel ontop of the tank and yep could feel a small little 6mm hole..
So that night meant draining £30 quids worth of fuel while loosing about £10 worth on the way home haha
The next morning meant getting the car up nice and high ready to remove the fuel tank.
First off, the rear axle. Nice and easy this time as all the bolts were replaced last time so was easy off.. Annoyingly I have only just bled the brakes so this means I'll have to buy another tin of fluid. hey ho
Just had to undo the exhaust and remove the back box.
Ta daaah, one fucked fuel tank.
Please enjoy the solid exhaust mounts proper good quality stuff that.
So yeah this was the weather today, I was layered up that's for sure. Chilly
Anddd this was yesterday playing around with the blanks and the misses put on the number plates and had to have a sit inside...
The rear brakes were showing about 28kgs of effort, and 1 kg less with the bias valve reduced... So one point the bias valve does s**t alll haha
Second point the rears still lock up.. So I'm going to use the pressure reducers on a mk4 fiesta and put a couple of the inline to the rear brakes. This should hopefully sort it, aswell as obviously buying a working bias valve (my one wasn't even a bad make - OBP i think
So those who remember I had problems with the fuel tank in my ph1, well I got a bit drill happy.
Turns out the previous owner of the shell did aswell, and there is also a hole in the top of this tank [emoji85] [emoji36] This was only apparent after the MOT when I filled up half a tank where I was driving home and the rear bench started to fill up with fuel the pump was totally dry so I was very confused... So got it back had a little feel ontop of the tank and yep could feel a small little 6mm hole..
So that night meant draining £30 quids worth of fuel while loosing about £10 worth on the way home haha
The next morning meant getting the car up nice and high ready to remove the fuel tank.
First off, the rear axle. Nice and easy this time as all the bolts were replaced last time so was easy off.. Annoyingly I have only just bled the brakes so this means I'll have to buy another tin of fluid. hey ho
Just had to undo the exhaust and remove the back box.
Ta daaah, one fucked fuel tank.
Please enjoy the solid exhaust mounts proper good quality stuff that.
So yeah this was the weather today, I was layered up that's for sure. Chilly
Anddd this was yesterday playing around with the blanks and the misses put on the number plates and had to have a sit inside...
Clio 172
Did you buy the bias valve new
Brand new
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
Not all the screw types can reduce the pressure enough mate. I'm sure it's a tilton one that reduces the flow enough though.
Clio 172
Explains why the tilton ones are double the price
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
Buy cheap buy twice though I suppose. You need to read up on the specs to be 100% sure that it will do what you need.
@Ph1 Tom did something similar to this and was successful.
Interesting! hopefully he can inform more!
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
I've just looked at the specs for the tilton and the performance is the same on a lever type or the screw type.
More research needed me thinks.
Clio 172
Yeah it doesn't seem like any valves reduce to 0%...
Clio 172
How bad is it whilst driving. What pads are you running on rear
Pretty bad, say if you're in a situation where the lights change to red, and you've got to put the brakes on pretty firmly, well if i over cook it they lock up, they used to lock up for fun before i put the bias valve in and made up my lines, so must of done something...
standard i think, nothing special.
Clio 172
Not sure then. I'll plumbed mine in so
I'll let you know once it's back on its wheels
I'll let you know once it's back on its wheels
What bias valve you suing
what bias valve you using?
Clio 172
Wilwood. But I would say it's similar to yours. Apparently it does 0-57% and from 100-1000 psi.
Yeah tbh a lot of people have positive reviews with the same set up using Wilwood, I think mine was maybe a cheap copy I'm trying to think where i bought it from.
So yeah might just buy another bias valve, and then if that doesn't work we can point the finger at the compensator etc
believe it was this one.. http://www.advantage-motorsport.co....ew-type.html?gclid=CLO33cKptsoCFQefGwodL6kC5A
Clio 172
I know plenty of people using Wilwood and ap bias valves on other vehicles with no problems. The only bad bias valve I have heard of is the compbrake.
Clio 172
Lol. The type in that link does look exactly like the ones compbrake supply. Do you know of
Any one that has a working one lying around. Just so you can eliminate that. I bought my Wilwood one off demon tweaks
Any one that has a working one lying around. Just so you can eliminate that. I bought my Wilwood one off demon tweaks
Not an exciting update, but had some sleeved spacers made up to suit the m12 thread on the asts to work with the PMS top mounts.
as you can see the old ones ID was m16 and slipped over the ridge so meant when fitting the top threaded sleeve nut wouldn't clamp down on the bearing (2nd picture down)
Tonight after work, I'm gonna get the flood light out and make up some new brakes lines which included the pressure reducers in as stated above! and bleed the brakes. Then I'm going to drive it to work Saturday woo
as you can see the old ones ID was m16 and slipped over the ridge so meant when fitting the top threaded sleeve nut wouldn't clamp down on the bearing (2nd picture down)
Tonight after work, I'm gonna get the flood light out and make up some new brakes lines which included the pressure reducers in as stated above! and bleed the brakes. Then I'm going to drive it to work Saturday woo
So Fuel tank back in, rear axle, etc etc
So last job to sort was the brakes, lines made, brakes bled, car down and wheels torqued up.
Excitedly took it for a drive, put my foot on the brakes hard... STILL LOCKING UP ON THE REARS [emoji36] [emoji36] [emoji36] [emoji36] [emoji36] [emoji36] [emoji35] [emoji35]
Sooooooo.... I put two reducers inline and still nothing tbh, made no difference really at all!
This looks like I will be ordering a Wilwood brake bias asap.
So last job to sort was the brakes, lines made, brakes bled, car down and wheels torqued up.
Excitedly took it for a drive, put my foot on the brakes hard... STILL LOCKING UP ON THE REARS [emoji36] [emoji36] [emoji36] [emoji36] [emoji36] [emoji36] [emoji35] [emoji35]
Sooooooo.... I put two reducers inline and still nothing tbh, made no difference really at all!
This looks like I will be ordering a Wilwood brake bias asap.
Clio 172
Let me know how you get on once the Wilwood is fittedSo Fuel tank back in, rear axle, etc etc
So last job to sort was the brakes, lines made, brakes bled, car down and wheels torqued up.
Excitedly took it for a drive, put my foot on the brakes hard... STILL LOCKING UP ON THE REARS [emoji36] [emoji36] [emoji36] [emoji36] [emoji36] [emoji36] [emoji35] [emoji35]
Sooooooo.... I put two reducers inline and still nothing tbh, made no difference really at all!
This looks like I will be ordering a Wilwood brake bias asap.
bashracing
ClioSport Club Member
I think you're looking in the wrong direction with the hydraulic side of the rear brakes
If the rear wheels only recorded 28kgf on the MoT (presumably not locking) there's no way they should be locking when driving,
I would be looking at how the cars load transfer is either drastically unloading the rear axle and the rear wheels are genuinely only
needing 28kgf to lock, Or
how the handbrake cables are routed and pulling the cables tight as the axle drops away from the body easing the brake on,
Is the rear axle running lots of negative camber and the tyres are running on a very narrow band of the inside edge, did the tyre fitter put 50 psi in the rear tyres because he was to busy texting his mate?
If the rear wheels only recorded 28kgf on the MoT (presumably not locking) there's no way they should be locking when driving,
I would be looking at how the cars load transfer is either drastically unloading the rear axle and the rear wheels are genuinely only
needing 28kgf to lock, Or
how the handbrake cables are routed and pulling the cables tight as the axle drops away from the body easing the brake on,
Is the rear axle running lots of negative camber and the tyres are running on a very narrow band of the inside edge, did the tyre fitter put 50 psi in the rear tyres because he was to busy texting his mate?
Chambers_RS
ClioSport Club Member
Clio 172 Cup&Leon K1
I was thinking along the lines of above regarding the handbrake cables.
Can't remember if you still have them fitted but depending on where you relocated your handbrake too the cable might be getting stuck somewhere and jamming the brakes on.
Could go for a drive with them disconnected from the caliper.
Can't remember if you still have them fitted but depending on where you relocated your handbrake too the cable might be getting stuck somewhere and jamming the brakes on.
Could go for a drive with them disconnected from the caliper.
it will lock if handbrake is connected or not,
The tyre pressure are good and not s**t tyres direzzas.
I've had 2 sets of suspension on the car and it has been doing the same thing over both (ghas and asts)
I have changed the height of the car around varying different levels of rake and lower on the rear.
Do you reckon the rear brake lines coming out of one port is causing to much pressure being exerted on the rear lines?
But I know what you mean as I think on the last MOT is was pulling 14kg, so could the rear compensator be f**king it up?
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
I thought you'd done away with the rear compensator??
Nope i was gonna try the rear reducers in first then go from there [emoji16]
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
Well I'd quite confidently say there is your issue mate. Either pipe up the compensator valve correctly and try again, or remove it and try the reducers.
You can always use a doblo regulator. Many people buy theese part from fia add some adjustment o screw and it'S done and you pay a 40 euro for new one. Here you can see how the made the same thing in saxo.http://rallye-project.co.uk/?paged=21
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Guess what lads...
Still no f**king difference! (the compensator valve is out)
So yeah next steps:
- Have the 2 rear lines coming out to MC then T piece is back down to 1 line, logically it makes sense that there will be more pressure if 1 line is blocked off rather having 2 lines
or
- Buy a decent bias valve that actually works rather than changes the bias by 1 kg.
Anyway the car got its first wash in probably 5 years today. Didn't even dry it off, race car yo and all that s**t.
Daily got some loving too... ish.. no wash though
annnd had to take the misses to the train station, the look on her face when she saw me arrive in the clio... [emoji56]
Still no f**king difference! (the compensator valve is out)
So yeah next steps:
- Have the 2 rear lines coming out to MC then T piece is back down to 1 line, logically it makes sense that there will be more pressure if 1 line is blocked off rather having 2 lines
or
- Buy a decent bias valve that actually works rather than changes the bias by 1 kg.
Anyway the car got its first wash in probably 5 years today. Didn't even dry it off, race car yo and all that s**t.
Daily got some loving too... ish.. no wash though
annnd had to take the misses to the train station, the look on her face when she saw me arrive in the clio... [emoji56]
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