Which ITBs??

[stan*]

I dont see £3000+vat as a realistic price for a supercharged setup, fitted and mapped, tbh

£4000 maybe, at a push. Last one I built was £8000, but that wasnt a conversion as such, rather a full build specifically set-up for a supercharger...not just a standard engine with a supercharger on it.

In terms of performance, ultimately you will get more from a supercharger...its boost related, these are always easier to gain more from....at what cost on a standard piston engine is going to depend on chargecooling, mapping etc...and really is a grey area currently ont he clio market.

Drivability, both are linear, smooth and progressive....thereofre usable for track I guess, traction providing of course. This also gives both a good relationship with transmission, though increased torque in general inevitably causes problems somewhere along the line.

In all, throttle bodies are more "proven" on the clio scene.

I personally prefer itb's, as with the work I tend to carry out, they are usually part of a high revving screamer.....which is nice!

 

[stan*]

your not a fastcar magazine reader then! (didn't think you would be! LOL)

slightly daft due to the costs involved but still, got a decent intake length and kept the oe bonnet latch etc etc, didn't even chop the plastic grille

its cool to see everyone's different installs, the clio market is in a great place at the moment in terms of development!

Thats very impressive mate...

Solved alot of problems there!

I had a similar aluminium panel in design for the front section, but not considered moving the rad to the side...good shout!

and no, cant say ive ever baught a copy of french car

 

[Fred@BTM]

still not sure on the cooling abilities LOL! volume is up slightly over stock so fingers crossed its got enough airflow and i chose a big enough rad fan!

 

[Da]

Thanks for the info Craig

I haven't checked but I'm sure RS Tuning were offering a 'drive in drive out' S/C kit for around the £3K mark, but as I say I haven't checked.

I think for me it would have to be ITB's, as you say - they are more 'proven' on the Clio scene at present.

 

[Gray]

Does Neil have a different cam / rocker cover, What's the circle shape near the front centre?! Sure thats not all other 1*2's I've seen?

 

[stan*]

tbh you'll gain efficiency from being fully aluminium, the rads I use are less volume than std, but cool about the same.

if airflow is an issue, you could always run a scoop from the left hand side of the rad acrosss the front of the bumper.

 

[Fred@BTM]

oh aye ali is better! i think the wee fan in traffic will be working overtime though!

 

[sideways danny]

Install I did

Used a small rad with a far greater number of fins to give a larger surface area for better cooling

 

[Fred@BTM]

Does Neil have a different cam / rocker cover, What's the circle shape near the front centre?! Sure thats not all other 1*2's I've seen?

bit random, seen a few like it, mainly early phs1 engines

 

[Gray]

bit random, seen a few like it, mainly early phs1 engines

Learn something new everyday! Never seen one like that

 

[sideways danny]

Learn something new everyday! Never seen one like that

they're unusual, but theres a few about. K4Ms have it but there's actually a core plug there like the cam blanking plugs. Renault randomness

 

[Nafoff]

oh hai....

my 2 pence - do it properly or don't bother at all....thats it

 

[Fred@BTM]

hai princess, you can now start harrassing me again, i miss you west country accent

 

[Nafoff]

hai princess, you can now start harrassing me again, i miss you west country accent

lol....i thought you were back tomorrow. i now have new HT leads here, can post them to you or just wait, new seats all here too....lol, its all happened,

ring me for a chat tomorrow xxx

 

[Brian172]

Does removing the slam panel affect the rigidity of the front end at all?

 

[Fred@BTM]

no, but means having to fit bonnet pins

 

[Brian172]

Thanks Fred.
Didn't know if it was a silly question lol.

 

[Hutchie]

they're unusual, but theres a few about. K4Ms have it but there's actually a core plug there like the cam blanking plugs. Renault randomness

here the k4m bung in question

i also smoothed the cam cover, you can see a smooth bit just to the right of the filler neck

 

[john182rs]

If you have ITBS you cannot keep cruise control as its a cable throttle and cruise control runs off FBW.

After speaking to ktec i was told with the new ECU that CC and speed limiter could be kept

 

[broster@JAM-Sport]

I dont see £3000+vat as a realistic price for a supercharged setup, fitted and mapped, tbh

i dont see why it cant be done for close to that kind of money, with the st-150 kits we do (currently into the 100+ kits on these) we are able to offer them at 3500ish. obviously this is down to the fact we mass produce the fitting kit/boost pipes etc and buy all the parts in bulk, one off kits will always be alot more, recent m535i we did was a 6k conversion for example.

if the clio market was a big or supercharging as the st-150 market is then i the price should be able to dip into the 3k+ market.

 

[Russ_16v]

Im very tempted with bodies, what are kits going for these days? Fitting il do myself

 

[stan*]

i dont see why it cant be done for close to that kind of money, with the st-150 kits we do (currently into the 100+ kits on these) we are able to offer them at 3500ish. obviously this is down to the fact we mass produce the fitting kit/boost pipes etc and buy all the parts in bulk, one off kits will always be alot more, recent m535i we did was a 6k conversion for example.

if the clio market was a big or supercharging as the st-150 market is then i the price should be able to dip into the 3k+ market.

yeah, its to see the different trends between genres!

 

[The Boosh!]

After speaking to ktec i was told with the new ECU that CC and speed limiter could be kept

Well thats funny as the e-mail they sent me they stated that it couldn't.

I am afraid you will not be able to retail cruise control as you will be changing to a cable operated throttle pedal.

And that was with regards to their DTH kit? Would be good if it was possible though, however I cannot see it.

 

[Gray]

If you where to buy the bodies, manifold on their own...

how much would a loom and ECU cost?

Say for example the omex 600 unit and loom?

the EC1 engine control and loom?

 

[chrispy.clio]

If you where to buy the bodies, manifold on their own...

how much would a loom and ECU cost?

Say for example the omex 600 unit and loom?

the EC1 engine control and loom?

The Omex's are like £2500 on K-tecs website :S

Cheaper for your Ph1 tho

 

[Gray]

Omex ECU Complete With Harness And Software £1,521.63 (-5% discount?) from K-tec

 

[chrispy.clio]

I have the Jenvey ITB's

 

[chrispy.clio]

Omex ECU Complete With Harness And Software £1,521.63 (-5% discount?) from K-tec

Lol i got the pricing a bit wrong.

 

[sideways danny]

Omex ECU Complete With Harness And Software £1,521.63 (-5% discount?) from K-tec

pretty sure that's for the tailored kit to go on a standard plenum, including idle motor and adaptor bracketry and all the pedal and crank sensor stuff

DTA S40 is £499+vat, loom is £295+vat, and sensors are about £35+vat,

Gen 90 is £850+vat, but no loom of sensors needed for a ph2. Adaptor/jumper looom needed for a ph1

 

[Hutchie]

i highly reccomend TDF for the EC1 and Matt. dont know anyone who has not been uber impressed and happy with the product and service from TDF

 

[Gray]

what kind of pricing is the EC1 ecu ?

 

[Hutchie]

ecu is 649+vat IIRC

bargin in my eyes.

 

[Tony Hunter]

the best price ive found for a mk2 172 kit is £2200. how much did you pay
?

All tied in with sponsorship,so couldn't really say what cost is,sorry.

 

[Tony Hunter]

what kind of pricing is the EC1 ecu ?

Phone Matt at TDF.

 

[Fred@BTM]

All tied in with sponsorship,so couldn't really say what cost is,sorry.

last i heard you owe quite a few beers

(daughters phone number would cover it )

 

[Tony Hunter]

Come to Brands Hatch Sunday May 9th and you can have a dozen of your fav brew

She's to nice for you.

 

[Fred@BTM]

my mum tells me i'm too nice for them! LOL

 

[Tony Hunter]

Unlucky then.

 

[cliobritt]

So what are the advantages/disadvantages of ITB's over say a S/C?

At £3k + VAT fitted we're in S/C territory really and I just wondered why one would be preferred over the other?

Realistically what gains are expected from ITB's?

just pay 2.2k for the kit and fit it yourself, save £900 labor

 

[cliobritt]

All tied in with sponsorship,so couldn't really say what cost is,sorry.

fair enough mate.