what is so special about the trophy setup?

[Andyman]

Renault spend millions on setting up their cars, thats why standard is so forgiving and imo so, so good. I have been in a Trophy and the way they hold a road is just unbeliveable. Its not a STIFF crashy ride either just so well set up.

On this forum you tend to find that coilovers = god and decking your car makes it handle like a Trophy - no, it will not.

Thinking about it logically you could spend 1k on some decent suspension and some buckets and you have already spent more than the equivalent cost of selling yours and getting one if you so wanted.

Buying a Trophy is also more to me than just a 182, it's a Ltd run and that bit more special. Maybe this is because I have come for a Williams background and "normal" 1*2's don't cut the mustard with me.

Renault might spend millions but certainly where a 172 is concerned it can be bettered by simply throwing on some 130 quid Eibach springs!

Reason why that is Renault have to compromise between ride and handling, you mod the suspension your shifting the balance away from comfort over to handling

 

[ForceIndia]

I've heard that the mark fish koni adjustable rear dampers improve the trophy.

 

[jester2k]

But, putting some really nice coil overs and NOT lowering it too the deck ,should give you excellent handling.. Just because the Trophy suspension cost X amount years ago, doesn't mean that the tech has been improved, and is also now cheaper.

There is no reason that i can see that a set of £500 coil overs will not be better than the Trophy set-up.

 

[Munson]

Does the Trophy have the 182 interior (minus the bin-liner trimmed chairs) or is it the 182Cup interior with added RS steering wheel? I'm sure Lee said it was the 182Cup interior. The dash is lightly different in the Cup. Different plastic on the centre console, and lower quality silver plastic bits. Lower quality door cards too.

I only ask in relation to something warren mentioned about the dash.

 

[fUbAr]

Does the Trophy have the 182 interior (minus the bin-liner trimmed chairs) or is it the 182Cup interior with added RS steering wheel? I'm sure Lee said it was the 182Cup interior. The dash is lightly different in the Cup. Different plastic on the centre console, and lower quality silver plastic bits. Lower quality door cards too.

I only ask in relation to something warren mentioned about the dash.

Its has lower spec rear seats than the 182 cups. The rear seat is a 1 piece bench with no split and no support at all.

Saying that, the first thing I would do with the trophy is pull the rear seats out.

 

[Munson]

^^I realise the rear bench is from the 182Cup. I was just wondering about the dash. Whether it's 182 spec, or 182Cup spec. Obviously without the casio climate control of course.

 

[JT182]

Oh how I love these threads! Coilovers seem to be the answer to everything on here!

Fact of the matter is, the Trophy was designed from the off to be the best Cliosport derivative of the lot. And, still, it is. I hear people commenting on other similar threads thinking that a 1*2 with coilies would annihilate a standard Trophy with its expensive Sachs that people seem to think cost a million pounds to replace if they go wrong! It just isn't true! Even if it was true though and even if a normal 1*2 could beat my Trophy I just wouldn't care, the Trophy feels way, way more special than any other 172/182/197 models that I have driven. Standard, the set-up is perfect, and simply doesn't need to be changed or messed with. I was dead set on a 182 Cup in RB before I drove the Trophy, say you cornered at 50mph in the Cup, it's more like 60/65mph in the Trophy. The difference is massive between the two car's capabilities.

The colour in real life, when it's clean is a perfect shade of red. Looks absolutely brilliant with the anthracite Turini's. None of this 'it looks gheyyy and pink pish'.

 

[ForceIndia]

^^I realise the rear bench is from the 182Cup. I was just wondering about the dash. Whether it's 182 spec, or 182Cup spec. Obviously without the casio climate control of course.

I didn't notice any difference in the dash plastic going from a 172 to a 182cup. Could be wrong though.

 

[-Leigh-]

What is it with people thinking a car lowered on coilovers will be the best handling car ever?!?!

I think Renault know a little bit more about handling than 99.999% of everyone on here!!

 

[JonC]

But, putting some really nice coil overs and NOT lowering it too the deck ,should give you excellent handling.. Just because the Trophy suspension cost X amount years ago, doesn't mean that the tech has been improved, and is also now cheaper.

I would argue that coilovers would make the ride harsh and only suitable for track or smooth roads only. Simply throwing on a set of coilovers does not automatically give you superior ride and handling.

There is no reason that i can see that a set of £500 coil overs will not be better than the Trophy set-up.

Thats because you're not a chassis engineer who has the backing of an R&D team financed by a major car company with the goal of producing the finest handling hot hatch available.

I'm looking forward to Renault giving the 197/200 the same treatment in chassis development. Then I may consider replacing the Trophy.

 

[.GAZ.]

Renault spend millions on setting up their cars, thats why standard is so forgiving and imo so, so good. I have been in a Trophy and the way they hold a road is just unbeliveable. Its not a STIFF crashy ride either just so well set up.

On this forum you tend to find that coilovers = god and decking your car makes it handle like a Trophy - no, it will not.

Thinking about it logically you could spend 1k on some decent suspension and some buckets and you have already spent more than the equivalent cost of selling yours and getting one if you so wanted.

Buying a Trophy is also more to me than just a 182, it's a Ltd run and that bit more special. Maybe this is because I have come for a Williams background and "normal" 1*2's don't cut the mustard with me.

Meh... Why buy a 172 then? :S

 

[Jamie]

Meh... Why buy a 172 then? :S

I'm selling it for a Trophy. That ok with you.

 

[.GAZ.]

I'm selling it for a Trophy. That ok with you.

oooooh.. sorry.

 

[bradharding24]

Handling is subjective. There is no such thing as a great handling car. It depends on the driving style of the pilot. You could argue the 172cup is the best clio hatch because it has a nice snappy rear end. Thats if you like snappy rear ends. If you dont it wont float your boat.

The RS cars are designed by renault so that idiots dont crash them into ditches. Nice easy to control understeer. Nice forward brake bias. This is not, however, the quickest way to get from A to B in a FWD car on a B road. But its a good safe compremise. If you disagree with this point please type 'ragnotti' into a youtube search and watch how to make a fwd car go quickly on tarmac. Note the rear end.

The trophy is what it is. But that doesnt make it better than other similar cars. If we all drove and liked the same cars, life would be boring.

 

[maz172cup]

this is an intresting tread - so basically its pointless slamming a trophy cos youll ruin the trophy setup & it wont be a trophy anymore

 

[Šįk]

...basicly lol..

 

[Ralphizzle]

Like i said in another topic.

I want the Sachs dampers on my 172 Phase 2.
But they don't spec. these anymore... if Trophy owners need replacement for them.
Sourcing seems difficult or so?

In any case.: Clio 182 Trophy

The 182 Trophy was introduced as a hardcore end of production model with firmer suspension, recaro seats up front, light clothseats in the back, Sachs dampers and Eibach Sportline springs, it was lower, harder, firmer and was a trackcar for the road.


Source.: http://www.readyforthetrack.co.uk/2...aultsport-clio-172-and-182-range-information/

by yozzasport. Should ring some bells innit?

 

[jester2k]

I would argue that coilovers would make the ride harsh and only suitable for track or smooth roads only. Simply throwing on a set of coilovers does not automatically give you superior ride and handling.



Thats because you're not a chassis engineer who has the backing of an R&D team financed by a major car company with the goal of producing the finest handling hot hatch available.

I'm looking forward to Renault giving the 197/200 the same treatment in chassis development. Then I may consider replacing the Trophy.

how many years ago was that.. All i am saying is that the tech would have got better and cheaper now.

So it is possible that some correctly setup (corner weighed etc) £500 gaz shocks could do just a good a job.. Or be to the point where you and i could not tell the difference.

 

[Matt@Stealthsport]

how many years ago was that.. All i am saying is that the tech would have got better and cheaper now.

So it is possible that some correctly setup (corner weighed etc) £500 gaz shocks could do just a good a job.. Or be to the point where you and i could not tell the difference.

This thread is sucking away my will to live anymore.............

I no longer want my car - anyone wanna buy a Trophy as I'm fitting coilies to a skip instead.

 

[jester2k]

fair enough, if you think the trophy suspension, fitted the the same shell as all the other clios can never ever be eclipsed.. then that is fine..

All the bushes, swing arms etc are 100% the same, just the shocks, springs are different.. Heaven forbid they could ever ever be bettered with continual development by specialists in suspension.

Im sure the same was said of leaf springs.

I know the 'limited' trophy is special in a number of ways, and yes the suspension is magic.

 

[Fletcher]

This thread is sucking away my will to live anymore.............

I no longer want my car - anyone wanna buy a Trophy as I'm fitting coilies to a skip instead.

I'll give you 4k for it mate

 

[jester2k]

This thread is sucking away my will to live anymore.............

I no longer want my car - anyone wanna buy a Trophy as I'm fitting coilies to a skip instead.

Swap a clio 172 + some lowered springs i got of ebay for £50.

 

[Matt@Stealthsport]

I'll give you 4k for it mate

Nah I'll just throw the Sachs suspension in the bin and fit some Gaz coilovers and slam it down to the bumpstops!

Then I'll post loads of pictures on here and watch everyone tell me how great I am.

Oh and then I'll buy another Williams and fit the 16 Valver suspension to it or maybe some coilovers.

The Trophy is a Marmite car like the Williams you either get it or you don't having owned both I am happy to say I've had loads of fun and feel that I made the right decision buying the cars.

If a Hybrid or coverted 172/182 was better why would people rate the Williams and Trophy so highly?

Ah well I guess I am just ranting as I am bored today.

There only silly little french hatchbacks anyway..........

LOL

 

[Fletcher]

Nah I'll just throw the Sachs suspension in the bin and fit some Gaz coilovers and slam it down to the bumpstops!

Then I'll post loads of pictures on here and watch everyone tell me how great I am.

Oh and then I'll buy another Williams and fit the 16 Valver suspension to it or maybe some coilovers.

The Trophy is a Marmite car like the Williams you either get it or you don't having owned both I am happy to say I've had loads of fun and feel that I made the right decision buying the cars.

If a Hybrid or coverted 172/182 was better why would people rate the Williams and Trophy so highly?

Ah well I guess I am just ranting as I am bored today.

There only silly little french hatchbacks anyway..........

LOL

lol mate, you're always ranting..

And besides you know my 172 on H&R 's would leave your trophy for dead in the twistys

 

[JoedotwasT5phy]

Nah I'll just throw the Sachs suspension in the bin and fit some Gaz coilovers and slam it down to the bumpstops!

Then I'll post loads of pictures on here and watch everyone tell me how great I am.

Oh and then I'll buy another Williams and fit the 16 Valver suspension to it or maybe some coilovers.

The Trophy is a Marmite car like the Williams you either get it or you don't having owned both I am happy to say I've had loads of fun and feel that I made the right decision buying the cars.

If a Hybrid or coverted 172/182 was better why would people rate the Williams and Trophy so highly?

Ah well I guess I am just ranting as I am bored today.

There only silly little french hatchbacks anyway..........

LOL

The Trophy isn't a marmite car. It's for car enthusiasts, people who love to drive love these cars. People that like dropping things to the deck and pumpin out speed garage won't get it.

it's not low for a very good reason

 

[maz172cup]

after reading this tread and the yozza guide - im glad i own a slammed 172cup remaped with trophy seats

 

[ForceIndia]

how many years ago was that.. All i am saying is that the tech would have got better and cheaper now.

So it is possible that some correctly setup (corner weighed etc) £500 gaz shocks could do just a good a job.. Or be to the point where you and i could not tell the difference.

You probably couldn't tell the difference from the crap you've been spouting on here!

 

[Christopher]

I love the way that the OP's question hasn't even been answered, four pages later.

 

[Šįk]

 

[jester2k]

You probably couldn't tell the difference from the crap you've been spouting on here!

ok.... very good, that made no sense..

Maybe I should write out 100 times.
There will be no suspension ever better than the trophy setup....
There will be no suspension ever better than the trophy setup....
There will be no suspension ever better than the trophy setup....
...

 

[jester2k]

If a Hybrid or coverted 172/182 was better why would people rate the Williams and Trophy so highly?
LOL

Because out of the box its excellent, such a brilliant piece of engineering.
That however doesn't mean it cannot be improved.

All i am saying is that if you take a non trophy, add some excellent suspension, do NOT slam it to the deck, and get it setup correctly.. it will be pretty good.

 

[DNP182]

I would really like a spin out in a trophy to see what they are all about. hope to see one in the flesh at 'the ultimate car' show in larne, northern ireland this weekend. but...while i fully recognise that renault spent a lot of time of R&D, I don't see why you can't take a standard sport and put some really good suspension on it as comparison. how many people on here have 'projects' based around 172/182 that they use for track purposes??? I know sm_wc has developed a lovely 182 for the track...as featured in french car magazine (and seen it up close and personal for myself)....i just don't see what the problem is or the argument is about???

 

[jester2k]

Cause really the trophy suspension is just spending more cash + placebo affect

 

[iimushroomzii]

Blah Blah Blah, this threads getting boring now, why do I keep clicking on it.

 

[JoedotwasT5phy]

Blah Blah Blah, this threads getting boring now, why do I keep clicking on it.

Need? :rasp:

 

[Inferno]

how many years ago was that.. All i am saying is that the tech would have got better and cheaper now.

So it is possible that some correctly setup (corner weighed etc) £500 gaz shocks could do just a good a job.. Or be to the point where you and i could not tell the difference.

The technology in the Sachs remote reserviour dampers is far superior to that of the Gaz coilovers. They're not even the same type of unit! To buy suspension comparable to the Sachs unit from any manufacturer you'll be looking at spending well over £2k.

 

[Matt@Stealthsport]

ok.... very good, that made no sense..

Maybe I should write out 100 times.
There will be no suspension ever better than the trophy setup....
There will be no suspension ever better than the trophy setup....
There will be no suspension ever better than the trophy setup....
...

Well if you did maybe it'd keep you quiet for a bit.

 

[Nomad]

as title, please (briefly) explain what the differance is to compared to an 182cup?

all ino of is Recaros, the wheels and suspension setup. ..but could buying h&Rs and lighter wheels to put onto a 182cup end up being same if not better than a standard trophy?

..or is there more into y the trophy is quicker?

edit
only reason i ask is, 182cup / trophy is on my car upgrade list, ...prefere the colours (RB + LY) on the 182cup, not to keen on the colour of the trophy also the ride hight is 4x4 style lol but i love the passion thats been put into it..

From all the posts since this original post I'd say it's subjective although there appears to be no answer to whether someone has actually sat in a Cup on coilies and lighter wheelies and then sat in a Trophy.

I've driven 172 Cup, 182 Cup, 182 Trophy and currently have a Ph-172 Exclusive.

The Trophy manages to be the best handling yet at the same time had a better ride than the others, (usually one or the other is sacrificed but not on the Trophy imo). I don't know how the Sach's damper's manage it apart from being better engineered.

Coming from a 106 Rallye Phase 2 only the Trophy came close to replacing it.

From what I understand, this is only by what I've read from CS experts... Coilies may be able to match the handling but not the ride.

I guess it's good that we have that variety, buy whats good for what you want to use it for. If I wanted a track car I'd go for coilies, for roads around Lancashire and Yorkshire the Trophy would be king. If you can't find a good Trophy for the price then a Cup will have to do. (Again I'm not biased, I've owned a 172 Cup and extensively driven a 182 Cup).

 

[ForceIndia]

What the Trophy manages, that no coilover I've used does, is great handling while keeping the ride quality very good.

 

[Šįk]

i think we have an answer now lol, this has gone on long enough lol.

trophy setup = great handling + a great quality ride

1*2 coilover upgrade = great handling + awesome mean stance

so its which ever counts personly, ride or stance..

END OF! lol.