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Weeman sucks ****
This is so last season!
Beetle
xr4x4
They are both S*** so who cares 
xr4x4
^^^ i agree
182 & LY Clio 220 ed
TheJesus said:
Easy Jon lad!!!
As you know, I'm a fan of both the 172 cup and the Williams, remember guys, back when the Williams was created, it broke the mould, and was a picture that most kids had (or wanted to have) on their walls as a poster all those years ago. It was also a car that most kids would have wanted to aspire to, and if they saw one on the street would point at in awe (or am I just old?
). This is something that the MKII and MKIII RS Clios will probably never do because they are 'standard' looking. If Renault were to create something today that is as groundbreaking now, as the Williams was then, what would it be? I think it would be something like a Clio with the Astra VXR's power, and some form of body kit to make it instantly noticeable over other Clios (Like the V6 is!)Donny
TheJesus said:
Cup - de-cat/ik/chip
Williams - What have a 1.8 head on if it lowers performance..? plus im sure it has some other mods..
Running in a staightline is more comparible to comparing on track (everyone can cane it through the gears)...lol
In summary more relevant.
EVOgone said:
as you have stated on numerous occasions and at the risk of being boring "you cant compare cars with different mods"... you made the rules pal
I think he put the 1.8 head on to lower performance... no, hang on, it was because it was lying around and the other one broke... I knew there was a non retarded reason for not using it
:clown:Here's another video for you to enjoy and discuss. lol
It's y0z in his Cup when standard Vs Roamer in his Williams 1 with Hillpower chip and a decat as far as I can remember.
Download me.
It's y0z in his Cup when standard Vs Roamer in his Williams 1 with Hillpower chip and a decat as far as I can remember.
Download me.
TheJesus said:as you have stated on numerous occasions and at the risk of being boring "you cant compare cars with different mods"... you made the rules pal
I think he put the 1.8 head on to lower performance... no, hang on, it was because it was lying around and the other one broke... I knew there was a non retarded reason for not using it
Very true it will not be a very true comparision but better than round a track, which is correct.
Wouldnt be happy bodging my engine with a valver head...ooooh
Anyhow seeing as your now a Willynone you will have to ask your mates. Yours was one of the slow ones i believe ..
EVOgone said:
lmao......i put the 1800 head on the car as i need it to get the kids to school etc. and after the cams munched the williams head i would have been carless. u ever tried to source a proper williams head?? lol....always there when u dont need em tho lol.
if u wanna show vids.....i have some too lol...
http://media.putfile.com/me-vs-tim-o
http://media.putfile.com/2livevssierra
and 1 more for good measure ...
http://media.putfile.com/bodied-williams-1
Nippy white cup
Lol what happened with Timo?
The Jinx
EVOgone said:
Did I not pre-qualify my statement by noting that Martin's was more heavily modded in terms of being stripped and running slicks? Yes, I think I did.
I also highlighted that the driver of the 182 (which also had no rear internals and harnesses) was really rather fapping good. Probably at least on a par with Martin.
I think I then declared that martin's was also running a valver suspension setup, so without the willy track.
Finally I pointed out that he utterly panned the 182 and not by the kind of margin I'd expect between the two cars, given the range of mods and expertise of the drivers.
However, this doesn't conform with your argument so I'll leave it there.
EVOgone said:Very true it will not be a very true comparision but better than round a track, which is correct.
Wouldnt be happy bodging my engine with a valver head...ooooh
Anyhow seeing as your now a Willynone you will have to ask your mates. Yours was one of the slow ones i believe ..
so, like I say, your point not valid and you change the rules to suit... so you'll forgive me if I dont take anything you say seriously.
god, if mine was slow I'd hate to be a 182 owner... :clown: Last 182 I had a play with off here (who'd actually admit it) was BozM iirc, better tell him to take his 182 back to the dealer
(and whoever owns the silver 182 with 200BHP vinyls down the doors lol). so I guess that would make your source wrong :rasp:
Polo GTi
My mums wee stinks of piss and s**t, whys that?
CS Dungeon
I owned the Hybrid, Mk1 172 and 182 all at the same time for about 8 months and after numerous tests we came to the conclusion the 172 was slowest and the 182 and Hybrid were dead even.
The 172 had viper IK and cat back magnex
182 had viper IK and standard exhaust
Hybrid had a cat back magnex and standard filter
The 172 had viper IK and cat back magnex
182 had viper IK and standard exhaust
Hybrid had a cat back magnex and standard filter
Nippy white cup
It is really a pointless argument as you could have a good 172 against a bad willie or vice versa. Scotts 172 had filter decat, exhaust and couldn`t beat a 14.8 (iirc) Kev had a totally standard 172 (maybe a power sapping filter) and got a 14.6! Plus you can`t argue that two cars have the same mods so are equal because certain engines react better to certain mods (106GTi/Saxo VTS seem to do really well with breathing mods whereas some engines barely improve with the same mods)
donnyo said:Easy Jon lad!!!
As you know, I'm a fan of both the 172 cup and the Williams, remember guys, back when the Williams was created, it broke the mould, and was a picture that most kids had (or wanted to have) on their walls as a poster all those years ago. It was also a car that most kids would have wanted to aspire to, and if they saw one on the street would point at in awe (or am I just old?
Donny
I agree completely because as you say the only clio to be as ground breaking as the Williams is the V6. It is nice to see a 172 or 182 on the road but they don't turn heads as much as the Williams or the V6. I drive a Williams 2 and I still have people stop and look at it. And the power feels great when it is all out and the handling is like running on rails. I like the others and wouldn't say no but the Williams is an Icon.
donnyo said:Easy Jon lad!!!
As you know, I'm a fan of both the 172 cup and the Williams, remember guys, back when the Williams was created, it broke the mould, and was a picture that most kids had (or wanted to have) on their walls as a poster all those years ago. It was also a car that most kids would have wanted to aspire to, and if they saw one on the street would point at in awe (or am I just old?
Donny
now then.....hows u fella ?? lol
this is another man whose cup has felt the wrath of the williams...jolly good show tho
Gerry said:
I cant imagine a Williams turning heads!?!? I bet 99.9% of people dont even no what one is and it will be mistaken for an old Clio with a chavvy bulge on the bonnet! No offence (if none can be taken from that) as I think they are great cars... but an icon and comparing to a V6... get real!
Gaz Sport said:I cant imagine a Williams turning heads!?!? I bet 99.9% of people dont even no what one is and it will be mistaken for an old Clio with a chavvy bulge on the bonnet! No offence (if none can be taken from that) as I think they are great cars... but an icon and comparing to a V6... get real!
Erm, I don't think I've told one person that I drive a Williams, and they've looked unimpressed.
Even people with no car knowledge relate Williams to F1.. so they think nice.. and people who do know, stop and talk about the car.
Seriously.. the attention a Williams gets is insane..
Nippy white cup
I think that it true to a point. People with only a little car knowledge wouldn`t know that a williams was any different than a normal mk1...a V6 is quite obviously different
Chris
Chris
donnyo said:Easy Jon lad!!!
As you know, I'm a fan of both the 172 cup and the Williams, remember guys, back when the Williams was created, it broke the mould, and was a picture that most kids had (or wanted to have) on their walls as a poster all those years ago. It was also a car that most kids would have wanted to aspire to, and if they saw one on the street would point at in awe (or am I just old?
Donny
aye up mate! long time no see pal.
quite true, I also bought into the whole williams thing and even though it's caused me probs it's an ace car, rate good fun. plus, it can still hang with any comparable sized hot super mini if the engine is still strong
MarkCup
ClioSport Club Member
Tucks said:
Yours is rapido too Tucks...
What was it? 1/3 mile? And I got like 1/2 a car length on you with very similar starts?
I have to say the amount of people who recognise what it is or know something about the car even if its wrong ie arn't they 1.8's or arn't they raing cars etc is amazing even the local what you might call Chavs know what the ca is.Gaz Sport said:I cant imagine a Williams turning heads!?!? I bet 99.9% of people dont even no what one is and it will be mistaken for an old Clio with a chavvy bulge on the bonnet! No offence (if none can be taken from that) as I think they are great cars... but an icon and comparing to a V6... get real!
My good God what a load of ???????
The only way to compare two cars is with unmolested examples with the same independent driver, (who should be good at what he does, Stig anyone?)
I am willing to bet £100 on the 182 cupped would be quicker round the Top Gear track. Just look at what it has already blown away.
The Willy was a great car in it's time, the game has moved on. Safety, comfort, tools, load ability for passengers and boot, etc are now far better and with the ability to go at leat as fast. Oh and by the way the Willy was so much more expensive to buy initially taking into account inflation.
Then of course crash in what?????
Modifications are the biggest waste of time for any form of race when there are diffrent drivers and the cars have ANY mods.
Who would think a 1.6 Escort in 1986 would beat a 911 Turbo in town roads in tight formation?
It was a police driver with no flasing lights nor two tones (didn't have them then) Yet it did.
All your arguements are null and void as ALL are not comparing like for like.
This appears to be a case of "my Dad's bigger than yours" arguement.
Grow up and I suggest that the only answer is to do a totally independent test. Drivers/cars/mods, etc give a very skewed result.
Blaze
The only way to compare two cars is with unmolested examples with the same independent driver, (who should be good at what he does, Stig anyone?)
I am willing to bet £100 on the 182 cupped would be quicker round the Top Gear track. Just look at what it has already blown away.
The Willy was a great car in it's time, the game has moved on. Safety, comfort, tools, load ability for passengers and boot, etc are now far better and with the ability to go at leat as fast. Oh and by the way the Willy was so much more expensive to buy initially taking into account inflation.
Then of course crash in what?????
Modifications are the biggest waste of time for any form of race when there are diffrent drivers and the cars have ANY mods.
Who would think a 1.6 Escort in 1986 would beat a 911 Turbo in town roads in tight formation?
It was a police driver with no flasing lights nor two tones (didn't have them then) Yet it did.
All your arguements are null and void as ALL are not comparing like for like.
This appears to be a case of "my Dad's bigger than yours" arguement.
Grow up and I suggest that the only answer is to do a totally independent test. Drivers/cars/mods, etc give a very skewed result.
Blaze
I own a 172 cup, and in standard tune with 2 extra people in the car, I outran him by a reasonable margin (was from standing to about 60 odd) Although, he may have been a crap driver.Loopz said:Yes, you're absolutely right, the 182 is faster, but the williams is faster. I wonder tho, how both of them would compare to the Civic Type-R??
Anyone knows, maybe?
The 182.
In a straight line.
It has a slightly lower cd (Drag Co-efficient) so would reach a higher terminal velocity over a shorter time period.
If you dropped them both off a cliff.
Though, you couldn't drop a Williams off a cliff because they're too nice so the 182 would be pancaked and the Williams would be the winner.
Seriously, what the f**k. A 182 would actually beat a Bugatti Veryon in an average vmax test on a banked oval because the Veryon would run out of fuel after 11 minutes and be clocking 0mph while the Clio flies around for another half hour or so at 140mph.
If you want a fast car in a straight line buy a second hand drag car and some methanol, if you want a fast car around the bends buy a formula ford. Then with the money left over buy a Williams and own one of the best everyday usuable cars ever made.
...or wax the lot on a Trophy.
In a straight line.
It has a slightly lower cd (Drag Co-efficient) so would reach a higher terminal velocity over a shorter time period.
If you dropped them both off a cliff.
Though, you couldn't drop a Williams off a cliff because they're too nice so the 182 would be pancaked and the Williams would be the winner.
Seriously, what the f**k. A 182 would actually beat a Bugatti Veryon in an average vmax test on a banked oval because the Veryon would run out of fuel after 11 minutes and be clocking 0mph while the Clio flies around for another half hour or so at 140mph.
If you want a fast car in a straight line buy a second hand drag car and some methanol, if you want a fast car around the bends buy a formula ford. Then with the money left over buy a Williams and own one of the best everyday usuable cars ever made.
...or wax the lot on a Trophy.
Daz said:
edde said:
Its not an icon just because one person in a year recognises what car it is! :S For example I seriously doubt driving through a city centre, in the middle of the day, in a Williams is going to get any heads turning where as driving through in a V6 will.... whether thats today or in 10 years time!
Another example would be to ask average Joe off the street to name hot hatch's from the 90's...
Answers surely would be...
XR2
Escort RS
Golf GTi
Pug 205
Reno 5 turbo
etc..
I doubt a williams would pop up in there!
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