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Smoked by a 106 GTi...
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SOHROB said:
The 130bhp did exist. It came out early 2000. Due to stricter EU Emissions laws, the cars lost performance hence Citroen upping the power of the VTS to 130 to compensate. In early 2000 I believe these laws were not into play. As far I am aware, Citroen placed these engines in the W Reg VTS (Mine was an April 2000). Of which i had one. When the Law came into force, the car was then back at the 120bhp.
I now have a 2003 VTS and there is a noticeable difference between the two.
Mike_SE was in my VTS at the time. Rolling start in second first time and my mate in the 172 hit the limiter in second and I pulled away (obviously). Then from a standing start i was pulling away as I hit second. Then stopped accelerating at about 65ish.
And no I don't think a VTS will "run down" a 172. It will keep up from a standing start to 60-70 with the 172 pulling away. Which is what I would expect a 106 GTi to do also.....
One big difference between the VTS and 172 I have noticed. When three up you can feel the 172 still pulling, in mine it feels lethargic and unresponsive....
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Mark_VTS said:
This is what I was saying 3rd gear onwards a 106Gti will loose ground to a 172, no idea about the Saxos, I don't know anyone who has one.
The 8.4 to 60 on the GTI compared to the VTS`s 7.4 is bull, these are basicly the same car though the gti is ever so so slightly heavyer but makes no difference in the real world, the engine out-puts on these cars vary quite alot, early ones usually see 120bhp and the laterspec ones usually 130bhp+ as there were a few tweeks on the newer engines including a different ecu with added sensors that you would conly see if you were to look at them side by side, there are a few freak engines though that seem to be quicker than most.
I`ve never driven a valver or races one for that matter but i would expect them to be pretty even, the gti though a quick car is easily slowed down, ask any1 who has a gti or vts, put a passengar in and you can really notice the weight difference holding it back nevermind with 17"`s added into the mix, It will respend well however to mods like the supersprint manifold, enclosed i/d kit and sports exhaust, with these you are usually seeing 140bhp+ but torque usually still quite low.
By my estimates a standard valver in factory condition would have been slightly quicker, but most now are showing there age and if not looked after well or suffereing from engine faults are gonna be a fair few horses down on what they used to be so arn`t going to perform well, so get that engine looked at.
I`ve never driven a valver or races one for that matter but i would expect them to be pretty even, the gti though a quick car is easily slowed down, ask any1 who has a gti or vts, put a passengar in and you can really notice the weight difference holding it back nevermind with 17"`s added into the mix, It will respend well however to mods like the supersprint manifold, enclosed i/d kit and sports exhaust, with these you are usually seeing 140bhp+ but torque usually still quite low.
By my estimates a standard valver in factory condition would have been slightly quicker, but most now are showing there age and if not looked after well or suffereing from engine faults are gonna be a fair few horses down on what they used to be so arn`t going to perform well, so get that engine looked at.
MK1 Clio (soon to be V6)
Must admit, i'd under estimated the little GTi myself, wont be racing one again... well, not yet anyway! 
Sir_Dave
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Personally i think that people should only comment on such things if they have experience through driving the 106gti and savo vts.
I have had the pleasure of owning 2 x 106 gti's and a 306 Rallye previous to the 182, and to be perfectly honest they are all brilliant cars :approve:
Speed wise, if you can notice 0.2 of a second to 60 then you are a man greater than i, when 'racing' many factors count, a slightly duff gearchange with scupper either parties chances of 'winning' for example.
Fact is, they're all great cars. Why argue about it.
Also i asked about valver 1/4 times! no one answered?!
I have had the pleasure of owning 2 x 106 gti's and a 306 Rallye previous to the 182, and to be perfectly honest they are all brilliant cars :approve:
Speed wise, if you can notice 0.2 of a second to 60 then you are a man greater than i, when 'racing' many factors count, a slightly duff gearchange with scupper either parties chances of 'winning' for example.
Fact is, they're all great cars. Why argue about it.
Also i asked about valver 1/4 times! no one answered?!
Sir_Dave said:
Totally agree, and very fair comment like your self ive had the great plesure of owning 3 106's and still have 1 of them, and the fact is there both great cars, one major factor of it all aswell is knowing your car, knowing when to change gear, and not missing gears or having a bad up change when driving hard.... but any1 who puts the 106 down all's i can say is own 1 for 2 weeks and your views will change they are brilliant
Good uns and bad uns. Sums it up.
I could pull a good distance on my mates missus' Gti ( was Yellow though so slower )
Had a blast against a VTS ( I was 2 up and boot full of sh*te,car was cold too ) and I didn't pull anything noticeable on him below 100.
They're very capable little cars and thier light weight and decent gearing means they shift a little bit quicker than people expect. Handle nicely too.:approve:
I could pull a good distance on my mates missus' Gti ( was Yellow though so slower
)Had a blast against a VTS ( I was 2 up and boot full of sh*te,car was cold too
) and I didn't pull anything noticeable on him below 100.They're very capable little cars and thier light weight and decent gearing means they shift a little bit quicker than people expect. Handle nicely too.:approve:
Polo GTi
Dan_mk1 said:Oi! I'd like to argue that point, 15.2 with more to come
Fight Fight, think Danny got a similar time at York, with Decat exhaust and Filter I think, of topic like :rasp:
Sir_Dave
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Mark_VTS said:
I've heard all that before and think its bull - My last car was a W Reg 2000 (March) VTS with the supposed mounting plates for the emissisons rectriction component on the block (I have never seen any pictures of newer models with this component fitted, so i dont know what it actually looks like. Only heard in forums on the web) and mine RR'd at 120.3bhp at 44,000 miles with a Magnex back box and a panel filter.
With regards to the VTS / GTi being quicker than a 172 I find it difficult to tell between my old VTS and my 182 in terms of 0-60 even maybe to 80 I would imagine above those speeds it would be a different story. I put this down to the VTS being extremely light more so than a 172.
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"With regards to the VTS / GTi being quicker than a 172 I find it difficult to tell between my old VTS and my 182 in terms of 0-60 even maybe to 80 I would imagine above those speeds it would be a different story. I put this down to the VTS being extremely light more so than a 172"
exactly.
exactly.
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