sequential box f4r???? £5750

[Clio_Scott92]

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/motorsport/parts-and-accessories/motorsport-parts/sadev-sdtsa-sequential-gearbox-for-renault-clio-f7r-f7p-and-f4r-engine/1211072


for any of you that have silly amounts of money and want it. thought it be worth posting

 

[JoeyD]

Dem ratios <3

 

[BoatNonce]

Mmm, proper sequential. Not this flappy paddle getrag s**t in the new clio.

 

[Dan]

No reverse gear

 

[BoatNonce]

Fairly sure it does have a reverse gear, otherwise you wouldn't need the reversing cable lol.

 

[Dan]

Ahh yes I didn't see that in the writing at 1st.

Ultimate track/ road car gearbox!

 

[Chip-mk1]

Ahh yes I didn't see that in the writing at 1st.

Ultimate track/ road car gearbox!

Ultimate track box yes, but they arent exactly reliable for on the road TBH

 

[Dan]

Ultimate track box yes, but they arent exactly reliable for on the road TBH

It would only be used for driving to and from the track lol

 

[Chip-mk1]

It would only be used for driving to and from the track lol

you'd get away with that for a while

 

[Kelv]

Very nice indeed.

wonder if I can justify to Kim that a gearbox for the track car is more important than having a new bathroom before the baby comes, lol.
(I think it could be a dangerous conversation to venture in to)

 

[Dan@SJM]

Do it. Let us know how you get on!

 

[Fletcher]

I would love one of these.

How many miles between rebuilds?

 

[Kelv]

Do it. Let us know how you get on!

realistically Dan, as much as I would love it, I think at this stage where we only have 2 months until the bub is born and a fair bit still to achieve on the house, hinting at a sequential box will be as close to suicide as I'm likely to get

 

[Chip-mk1]

Flol @ even considering it ni your situation.

Personally I reckon if you are goign for a sequential then just flog your car and buy a cup racer instead and just accept trailering it.

 

[Dan@SJM]

Just tell her you will get her to the hospital 3 seconds a straight faster with a sequential

 

[Sam@NP]

Sequential boxes are for heros. Nothing like the noise of straight cut gears and dogs chattering.

It would require a proper ECU and ignition cut to get the best from it, in terms of reliability and speed of change.

 

[Carbonraider]

The re-build costs... :/

 

[Sam@NP]

The re-build costs... :/

Usually not too bad, the dogs are cheap......ish. Its quicker to do than a road box too.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Usually not too bad, the dogs are cheap......ish. Its quicker to do than a road box too.

Agreed, Unlike a road box they are designed to be serviced as they need rebuilding so much more often.
The parts are effectively just regular service items for that box.

 

[Kelv]

Flol @ even considering it ni your situation.

Personally I reckon if you are goign for a sequential then just flog your car and buy a cup racer instead and just accept trailering it.

The Trophy is already a trailer only car chip, there is no way in hell that it would now ever pass an MOT.
New trailer is now purchased and tucked away safely with the car

long term, I would like to go this route with the gearbox, but other things to achieve with the car first.

Just tell her you will get her to the hospital 3 seconds a straight faster with a sequential

Ha Ha, or just use the focus instead

 

[Chip-mk1]

The Trophy is already a trailer only car chip, there is no way in hell that it would now ever pass an MOT.
New trailer is now purchased and tucked away safely with the car

Bet if you asked the right person you could still get an MOT lol

long term, I would like to go this route with the gearbox, but other things to achieve with the car first.

Just sell the car and buy a cup racer you will spend so much more money just building something not as good!

If you get a cup racer the whole car is pefectly sorted for you and all you need is more power which is the easy bit.
If I end up with the spare funds in a couple of years I think I may go that route myself (prob with a turbo lump)

 

[Sam@NP]

Bet if you asked the right person you could still get an MOT lol




Just sell the car and buy a cup racer you will spend so much more money just building something not as good!

If you get a cup racer the whole car is pefectly sorted for you and all you need is more power which is the easy bit.
If I end up with the spare funds in a couple of years I think I may go that route myself (prob with a turbo lump)

Would need to check out the torque rating of the 'box, but a turnbo'd cup car sounds fun!

 

[Cup_Phil]

So much want - but as Chip says - you can pick up an old cup racer for not much more and they come with the gearbox

Such daft 2nd hand prices

 

[Kelv]

TBH chip, I think ill stick with this for a couple of years and then move on to a 197, if not sooner, and see what decent options are available then rather than converting a road car again.

 

[Chip-mk1]

TBH chip, I think ill stick with this for a couple of years and then move on to a 197, if not sooner, and see what decent options are available then rather than converting a road car again.

197 cup car prices are tumbling now its not going to be eligable anymore, so thats a good plan, spend not too much on yours, and buy a 197 racer then put some decent power into it.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Would need to check out the torque rating of the 'box, but a turnbo'd cup car sounds fun!

I'd use a slightly bigger turbo with a better exhaust manifold than I have now and run relatively little boost.

I'd be looking for around 200lbft of torque held to 7800rpm, which would give me a little over 300bhp and I feel the box would cope very well with that, so basically like my part throttle map on my car now, but with the lines both shifted up a bit.

So a slightly higher version of this shape power delivery to make just over 300bhp:



Rather than this shape which would destroy the box im sure:

 

[BIGASH]

That box on piston heads is overpriced for what it is, the STDSA boxes aren't as strong as the ST75-14 which is what I would be looking for if retrofitting. A good one of those is about the price of the one for sale above. The torque rating on the ST75 is 180nm and thats a fair bit more than the STDSA boxes so turbo'ing would be risky. As above cheapest option is to buy a cup racer drop the subframe, engine mounts, gearbox, hubs and driveshafts and then sell the car on as a racing car without the sequential which co incidentally makes it eligible for more series to race in. Would still cost you about 6k but at least then you have the shifter, shafts, hubs, cup racer engine mounts la,la,laa

 

[Chip-mk1]

That box on piston heads is overpriced for what it is, the STDSA boxes aren't as strong as the ST75-14 which is what I would be looking for if retrofitting. A good one of those is about the price of the one for sale above. The torque rating on the ST75 is 180nm and thats a fair bit more than the STDSA boxes so turbo'ing would be risky. As above cheapest option is to buy a cup racer drop the subframe, engine mounts, gearbox, hubs and driveshafts and then sell the car on as a racing car without the sequential which co incidentally makes it eligible for more series to race in. Would still cost you about 6k but at least then you have the shifter, shafts, hubs, cup racer engine mounts la,la,laa

No, just keep the car, buy a 197 racer and use that, and sell his trophy.

Pointless starting with a road car if what you want is a race car spec for using as a trackday car, just start with a racecar that someone else has lost all the money on instead.

 

[BIGASH]

Chip have you ever seen the condition of the cup racers for sale? I looked at 5 and only one of them wouldn't of needed a reshell, then they all need full refreshes which can cost close to 10k by the time you have done box, suspension, sphericals etc the shell's even if you find a straight one are getting ropey due to the huge strains of silly hard suspension so factor in for some Jig work and stitch welding where it's started to crack and then a repaint! IMO better to get the nice bits off and put on a car that you know the history of and is already upto scratch and hence cheapest

 

[Chip-mk1]

Chip have you ever seen the condition of the cup racers for sale? I looked at 5 and only one of them wouldn't of needed a reshell, then they all need full refreshes which can cost close to 10k by the time you have done box, suspension, sphericals etc the shell's even if you find a straight one are getting ropey due to the huge strains of silly hard suspension so factor in for some Jig work and stitch welding where it's started to crack and then a repaint! IMO better to get the nice bits off and put on a car that you know the history of and is already upto scratch and hence cheapest

A fair point Ash, but your standards are too high, for a trackday car the things you are thinking are a massive issue wouldnt be, also if you take your time you can find for only a couple of grand more one that has had a decent level of maintenance already (again let someone else do the spending, its not like people like kelv need to buy a car in a week to be ready for a race, take a year and find the right one).
But I certainly agree with you that just thinking "its a cup car it will be perfect" is certainly not the frame of mind to go shopping with!

 

[Andrewclio]

That box on piston heads is overpriced for what it is, the STDSA boxes aren't as strong as the ST75-14 which is what I would be looking for if retrofitting. A good one of those is about the price of the one for sale above. The torque rating on the ST75 is 180nm and thats a fair bit more than the STDSA boxes so turbo'ing would be risky. As above cheapest option is to buy a cup racer drop the subframe, engine mounts, gearbox, hubs and driveshafts and then sell the car on as a racing car without the sequential which co incidentally makes it eligible for more series to race in. Would still cost you about 6k but at least then you have the shifter, shafts, hubs, cup racer engine mounts la,la,laa

I completely agree! these gearboxes are only worth £3500 at most. That one is well overpriced. Plus the cost if retrofitting one of these gearboxes isn't worth the hassle. After just fitting a st75 to my car you need mounts, subframe, wishbones for the longer shafts and the correct wiring to get flat shift working correctly. The cost just doesn't out way the benefits for a track car. for a flat out racer/rally car maybe.
But nothing beats that clunck when engaging first on the start line

 

[mikekean]

If you can find me one for 3.5k that doesnt need another 1-2k throwing at it in rebuild costs ill buy it! 5-5.5k is easily worth it for a well maintained box, the fact it can go on on standard mounts as well is also a huge benifit.

Ash is right about the cup racers to. Your going to be paying upwards of 10k for a properly maintained mk2 cup racer. There are alot of expensive parts you dont really need on them, also a lot of cheaper better replacement items out there. Things have move on alot in the last 13 years. Personally if i had the choice to start again i would have bought a road/trackday car with ITB's etc already fitted and converted from there.

 

[Andrewclio]

If you can find me one for 3.5k that doesnt need another 1-2k throwing at it in rebuild costs ill buy it! 5-5.5k is easily worth it for a well maintained box, the fact it can go on on standard mounts as well is also a huge benifit.

Ash is right about the cup racers to. Your going to be paying upwards of 10k for a properly maintained mk2 cup racer. There are alot of expensive parts you dont really need on them, also a lot of cheaper better replacement items out there. Things have move on alot in the last 13 years. Personally if i had the choice to start again i would have bought a road/trackday car with ITB's etc already fitted and converted from there.

Ok maybe I was being a little optimistic with the £3500 but surely not worth more than £4250! Especially when at that asking price you are looking at a decent st75-14
I've just found two stdsa boxes for sale at offers around 5000euros! bearing in mind that was in France!