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Lightweight battery



stonejedi

ClioSport Club Member
  SI-STI 2.35 & RC-172
I have the bigger brother Odyssey in my Subaru its still lite but not as lite as the PC680,it has been superb though :up:if ordering one just make sure that you order the MJ version of the Odyssey battery,as they manufacture two versions of each model,the MJ stands for metal jacket meaning it can still be fitted in the engine bay if required as they are designed to take engine heat,saying that though if you are looking to install it in the cab for example under the drivers seat or in the boot the standard version will be fine,metal jacket version's are usually "RED" all over and the normal versions are "RED"with "BLACK" sides,one more thing if buying a PC680 you have to buy the battery terminals separately as they do not come with the battery.SJ.
 
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stonejedi

ClioSport Club Member
  SI-STI 2.35 & RC-172
Here is a picture of when I was relocating an Odyssey battery to my boot...
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Its a recommended mod especially if you are looking to shave more weight from your car,you would be surprised how much weight a standard battery is:fearscream:.SJ.
 

Gus

ClioSport Moderator
  182Turbo,DCi90
As well as 25mm red cable going from the engine bay through the car do you have to armor the cable at all in braiding or ducting or anything.
 

stonejedi

ClioSport Club Member
  SI-STI 2.35 & RC-172
Those Golf trolley batteries are OK,but they can not be compared with the Odyssey offering specifications,and that's coming from a previous user of both,as the saying goes "you get what you pay for".SJ.
 

stonejedi

ClioSport Club Member
  SI-STI 2.35 & RC-172
As well as 25mm red cable going from the engine bay through the car do you have to armor the cable at all in braiding or ducting or anything.
No mate,unless you choose too,I have not and have never had any problems,just make sure that its fed through safely and the earth lead is short and close to the battery.SJ.
 
  RS175,595,205gti,172
Those Golf trolley batteries are OK,but they can not be compared with the Odyssey offering specifications,and that's coming from a previous user of both,as the saying goes "you get what you pay for".SJ.
Maybe, I do have a varley redtop as well just never needed to use it, 4years on golf battery still going strong. Even jump started a friends Fiat coupe 20VT with it the other day!
 

stonejedi

ClioSport Club Member
  SI-STI 2.35 & RC-172
Maybe, I do have a varley redtop as well just never needed to use it, 4years on golf battery still going strong. Even jump started a friends Fiat coupe 20VT with it the other day!
Is it on a daily runner?.SJ.
 

alistairolsen

ClioSport Club Member
There are two main manual types, one is just a 2 contact switch to cut the main battery feed, the other is normally sold as an FIA switch and isolates the alternator etc as well (better). Beyond that there are things like the discarnect which goes near the battery, and some solid state electronic ones which perform the same function as the FIA switches I understand.

Personally I'd fit a manual FIA switch for about £20 as per the blue book and that way anyone can add the external pull cable if they want to compete with it at any point.

http://www.cliosport.net/threads/fia-battery-kill-switch.785205/#post-10940420
 
  Clio 172, Escort RST
No mate,unless you choose too,I have not and have never had any problems,just make sure that its fed through safely and the earth lead is short and close to the battery.SJ.
What did you notice?

My friend with the golf car battery did say that if the car had a drain on it like a CD player or immobilser it would require a recharge after a week.
 

stonejedi

ClioSport Club Member
  SI-STI 2.35 & RC-172
What did you notice?

My friend with the golf car battery did say that if the car had a drain on it like a CD player or immobilser it would require a recharge after a week.
Similar to your mates problem,my one was that my car was just a weekend toy,so when it was put away ("parked up") it would loose its charge in a few days of no use as it was still powering the alarm,but the Odyssey that I upgraded up to could last a good few weeks without being started and still have enough cranking power to start the car until the alternator could replenish its cells back up.When fitting a light weight battery I recommend installing a battery cut off which can help with charge issues as well as picking up a ctek charger,especially if the car is not going to be driven everyday.SJ.
 

stonejedi

ClioSport Club Member
  SI-STI 2.35 & RC-172
Can a race battety like a odyssey be used on a daily?
Yes no problem on a daily,the only problems you can have is if your car is full of amps incar entertainment DVD etc.... that can start to put a drain on them,but if used as they were intended to be used it will be fine.SJ.
 

eon172

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 172 (CUP)
....exactly what I find, I use an electronic solid state cut off with a PC680 but still use a CTEK charger which does a great job at looking after the battery whilst it's locked up for days/weeks.
 

alistairolsen

ClioSport Club Member
Indeed, can it be used in a car driven daily, yes. Can you just bolt one into your standard car and expect it to perform just like the bigger one? No.
 

eon172

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 172 (CUP)
So my Odyssey PC680 has given up, it wasn't charging/holding charge so took it out today to find it bulging badly, therefore = dead!

Anyhow, sod the expensive makes I'm going to give one of the cheaper alternatives a shot. I see Powervamp are not selling the PVR22 on ebay anymore, so any tips on a good alternative of the same or smaller dimensions anyone?
 

Mertin

ClioSport Club Member
  Ph1 172&Ph2 172 Cup
Is it for a daily or track car only? Looked into lithium ion ones?
Im still just running the odyssey pc680
 

stonejedi

ClioSport Club Member
  SI-STI 2.35 & RC-172
So my Odyssey PC680 has given up, it wasn't charging/holding charge so took it out today to find it bulging badly, therefore = dead!

I have had a similar experience to you and tmakes I'm going to give one of the cheaper alternatives a shot. I see Powervamp are not selling the PVR22 on ebay anymore, so any tips on a good alternative of the same or smaller dimensions anyone?
In all honesty mate I have done exactly what you done tried another AGM battery just to be fully let down Odyssey batteries are the best but need taking care of and never letting them fully discharge no matter what their blurb says they like to be regularly topped up if left for longer then a week or so and not driven they start to swell and collapse
So my Odyssey PC680 has given up, it wasn't charging/holding charge so took it out today to find it bulging badly, therefore = dead!

Anyhow, sod the expensive makes I'm going to give one of the cheaper alternatives a shot. I see Powervamp are not selling the PVR22 on ebay anymore, so any tips on a good alternative of the same or smaller dimensions anyone?
Odyssey make the best AGM batteries that I have used,the problem with a race battery is if you don't drive the car everyday the plates start to lose their charge as no matter what the blurb says about being able to charge from flat numerous times,you need to keep the battery charged up at all-time,They do require more maintenance but they are much more forgiving then a acid battery in the long run,the one that is fitted in my Subaru has been spot on for the last 4 years...
A good battery charger designed for "AGM" batteries is a definite and a cut off switch helps as well.SJ.
 

eon172

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 172 (CUP)
Is it for a daily or track car only? Looked into lithium ion ones?
Im still just running the odyssey pc680
Track/sprint car at the moment, maybe a bit of racing in the future. Apart from an emergency portable battery pack nope, I haven't looked at lithium as a main battery tbh, but I imagine they're not cheap.
 

eon172

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 172 (CUP)
In all honesty mate I have done exactly what you done tried another AGM battery just to be fully let down Odyssey batteries are the best but need taking care of and never letting them fully discharge no matter what their blurb says they like to be regularly topped up if left for longer then a week or so and not driven they start to swell and collapse

Odyssey make the best AGM batteries that I have used,the problem with a race battery is if you don't drive the car everyday the plates start to lose their charge as no matter what the blurb says about being able to charge from flat numerous times,you need to keep the battery charged up at all-time,They do require more maintenance but they are much more forgiving then a acid battery in the long run,the one that is fitted in my Subaru has been spot on for the last 4 years...
A good battery charger designed for "AGM" batteries is a definite and a cut off switch helps as well.SJ.
Yeah, I pretty much blame myself for letting it sit there and discharge too many times after use, plus use the wrong charge cycle on my ctek charger and expect it to recover it. Plus, I use a solid state cut-off switch, so it's not fully disconnected and I expect there is a tiny pull on current - might have to look at this solution again. Just in case I do risk it, which make let you down?
 

eon172

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 172 (CUP)
Their not as expensive as you think!
This is a well known sprint / hillclimb competitor who supplies batteries. PS09 is reccomended for Clio
Christ, that's tiny and weighs nothing compared to a PC680
 

eon172

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 172 (CUP)
I use a 22ah golf cart battery, do the job perfectly and they're cheap
Thanks, similar dimensions to the existing cage too. How long has yours lasted so far and do you use a battery optimiser of sorts?
 

stonejedi

ClioSport Club Member
  SI-STI 2.35 & RC-172
I use a 22ah golf cart battery, do the job perfectly and they're cheapView attachment 1389354
? I’ve had both of those makes of batteries and they both died on me,cheap to buy but the tech involved is simpler compared to The Odyssey,and I had reliability issues after letting the battery fully discharge just the once....SJ.
 

bashracing

ClioSport Club Member
  1993 micra
I use the c-tek charger that came with my old Odyssey battery,

I've had one for 18 months on a car that doesn't get used from October til March other than a couple of start ups, But as stonejedi says try not to let it run dead flat as it's a sure fire way to kill a battery
 

green

ClioSport Club Member
  Hi comp phase 1
The odyssey battery’s are great as long as they are never fully discharged as they can’t recover. I’m on my second one now as i didn’t realise how quickly they discharge while powering the alarm/ immobiliser and central locking.
I try not to leave my car more than a week with out a drive so it can have a charge off the alternator. I also do a 6 monthly charge off the c-tek charger. I’ve had the second battery 3 years now and it’s been perfect! Just needs looking after more than a lead acid one and a proper gel charger ?
 

Mertin

ClioSport Club Member
  Ph1 172&Ph2 172 Cup
I just added in a simple isolator under the bonnet while I was doing the wiring for battery relocation
 


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