Induction for Cup 172

TheCake · Jul 3, 2003

HI everyone!

Im a bit of a Noob on here, but if you look around youll see me on other websites, including my own.

Ive got a 2002 RS Clio Cup 172, and was wondering about induction. My baby does tend to get pretty roasting hot so am unsure about what induction kit to choose.

I honestly cant justify spending £200+ on a BMC Carbon filter or a PiperX Viper, so have the option of a green filter, K&N 57i or a normal PiperX. Anyone got any ideas or opinions - would be greatly appreciated.

Simon

The_Gza · Jul 3, 2003

Go for a panel filter instead - normal induction kits tend to lose bhp as they get a nice filter-full of hot air from the engine bay.

Alternatively, if you are determined to have an induction kit, then some sort of shielding arrangement can be used to try and seperate it from the hot bits of the engine bay.

TheCake · Jul 3, 2003

Yeah that sounds good. Do you recommened any small BHP gain products for the Clio Cup? I see yours is 182bhp - care to exaggerate [

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Obviously I want to go up up up, but need some direction. My mate who has a Clio Cup is going to get K&N 57i - probably a bad idea I think.

Would a panel filter help me out?

The_Gza · Jul 3, 2003

A panel filter might give a couple of bhp, nothing spectacular. Youll find lots of posts on the subject of getting more bhp from the 172 mill on here - have a swatch.

In essence, its not the easiest of engines to extract more horses from, mainly due to the lack of development work thats been done by the commercial tuners, and the resulting lack of bits for them at the moment. Youll not get a lot more out of an already tuned NA motor without spending a serious amount of dosh - throttle bodies with appropriate ignition control etc. Still, an exhaust and filter will help the car breathe a bit better and release some extra horses, as well as making it sound more like it should

Im sure some of our more knowledgeable members can add something to this...

Roamer · Jul 3, 2003

Hehe did someone mention Throttle Bodies? LoL

theyre coming on, watch this space, as my car goes off on tuesday, there will be a thread to watch the developments on

BenR · Jul 3, 2003

do a search mate, same applied for the 172, all shall be revieled.

George16v · Jul 4, 2003

I think you should go for the viper Kit mate, Or K&N if you want a god sound

TheCake · Jul 7, 2003

Mmmm throttle bodies. That would be very nice!!

Im going to be having a look through see what I can find.

George16v · Jul 8, 2003

Si. Essex Racing will develop a Turbo for us for £2000 plus VAT inc Fitting

RobFenn · Jul 8, 2003

http://www.essexracing.com/http://www.essexracing.com/ ??

They seem a bit cheapo..

telford_mike · Jul 8, 2003

Rich-D · Jul 8, 2003

Quote: Originally posted by Si172 on 03 July 2003

I honestly cant justify spending £200+ on a BMC Carbon filter or a PiperX Viper, so have the option of a green filter, K&N 57i or a normal PiperX. Anyone got any ideas or opinions - would be greatly appreciated.

Neither can I...

Which is why I have been looking at what to get for my Cup (when it arrives) and I just found this >>>

http://forum.cliosport.net/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=6&TopicID=41812&PagePosition=1 http://forum.cliosport.net/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=6&TopicID=41812&PagePosition=1

philip · Jul 8, 2003

exactly hows that different from the standard airbox?

George16v · Jul 9, 2003

Rich, Spoke to k-tec at the show and they said that kit was for the 1.4/1.6 model,

They suggested that the viper kit was the best, but it is just toooo expensive for the power gain, also they are not resellers for K&N.

Spoke to K&N at the show but they said that they will not be bringing out a generation II kit for the 172 which would have been the answer to our probs. However they have brought out a normal 57i kit for the 172 2001> But it doesnt come with a heat shield. The guy at K&N said that it doesnt need one.

However in my opinion I think the best option is to get a K&N 57i kit and then get a heat shield from somewhere, K&N sounds the best and usually gives best performance for the price

Also if you want to talk to essexracing about the turbo you need to email a guy there called paul who specialises in clios, He says that it would be a lox boost kit as the C/R on the cup is 11:1 and most normal turboed cars run at 8:1, but should still get about 30bhp, worth looking at if you ask me!

Rich-D · Jul 9, 2003

Rich, Spoke to k-tec at the show and they said that kit was for the 1.4/1.6 model

So why is there a photo of one fitted to a 172 on the website then?

Also, the K-Tec website says "Available from mid July 03 for the Clio 2 1.4 16v, 1.6 16v, 172 and Cup" so Id say they told you fibs.

They suggested that the viper kit was the best, but it is just toooo expensive for the power gain, also they are not resellers for K&N.

Aye, the Viper aint cheap!

Spoke to K&N at the show but they said that they will not be bringing out a generation II kit for the 172 which would have been the answer to our probs. However they have brought out a normal 57i kit for the 172 2001> But it doesnt come with a heat shield. The guy at K&N said that it doesnt need one.

Well, Id rather not have an "open" induction kit under that bonnet unless it was well fed with cold air...

However in my opinion I think the best option is to get a K&N 57i kit and then get a heat shield from somewhere, K&N sounds the best and usually gives best performance for the price

Yeah, when I get the car Ill take a look and see what can be done, as I am an engineer and can soon manufacturer a heatshield or summat.

Also if you want to talk to essexracing about the turbo you need to email a guy there called paul who specialises in clios, He says that it would be a lox boost kit as the C/R on the cup is 11:1 and most normal turboed cars run at 8:1, but should still get about 30bhp, worth looking at if you ask me!

Nah, I dont want a turbo on the Clio, as I have a modded R5 GT Turbo already, so I can get my whoosh fun with that!

Tom · Jul 9, 2003

Erm hello

Hill power?

George16v · Jul 9, 2003

Rich,

b******s, If you make a good heat shield would be interested to know how it goes ta

paddymph · Jul 9, 2003

what exactly have hill power done for the 172? my standard one made more power than their car i think!!

Flying Scotsman · Jul 9, 2003

Sorry to show these again ..... but ......

http://www.fifegallery.co.uk/domains/cliosport/coldair03.jpg http://www.fifegallery.co.uk/domains/cliosport/coldair03.jpg

http://www.fifegallery.co.uk/domains/cliosport/coldair01.jpg http://www.fifegallery.co.uk/domains/cliosport/coldair01.jpg

... it can be done with a standard 172 K&N 57i plus some work!

http://forum.cliosport.net/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=6&TopicID=37580&SearchPagePosition=1&search=custom+air+box&searchMode=allwords&searchIn=Topic&forum=6&searchSort=dateDESC&ReturnPage=Search http://forum.cliosport.net/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=6&TopicID=37580&SearchPagePosition=1&search=custom+air+box&searchMode=allwords&searchIn=Topic&forum=6&searchSort=dateDESC&ReturnPage=Search

TheCake · Jul 14, 2003

Still unsure.... maybe go with a panel filter and see how it goes?

philip · Jul 14, 2003

yes best idea by far. It will cost you £35 or so and youre spoilt for choice: ITG, Green, BMC. The extra £150-180 is not really justified for a BMC or viper unless you want the noise.

Funnily, noisy induction is very useful sometimes as a "get out of my way" signalling device on track. No such thing as sneaking up to a car to overtake with one of these babies.

So if you want noise, get a BMC SP08 for £170 (I did) or spend £200+ on a viper.

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