Hydraulic lifters failing

[zak182ff]

Is it common for the hydraulic lifters to fail, done a rebuild recently and put some uprated cat cam springs in as I snapped a spring but no damage to head or pistons thank god, car was fine for 800 miles and now terrible noise from top of engine, it’s not the dephaser we had pulley cover off and this is from cold start throughout all Rev ranges

 

[bloke]

lost a finger off the side of one of the followers?

 

[zak182ff]

lost a finger off the side of one of the followers?

Not had the rocker off yet as it happened Sunday. So hoping to start stripping it down Saturday, so not too sure. I’ve had a few people tell me they dont ever fail so wanted to know if anyone has had any issues sort them

 

[zak182ff]

Not had the rocker off yet as it happened Sunday. So hoping to start stripping it down Saturday, so not too sure. I’ve had a few people tell me they dont ever fail so wanted to know if anyone has had any issues sort them

With them ^*

 

[Crayola]

They can get filled with s**t, never known them failing but they tap a bit on idle which is normal-ish

 

[zak182ff]

They can get filled with s**t, never known them failing but they tap a bit on idle which is normal-ish

They sound so loud and engine sounds diesel.

 

[zak182ff]

My worry is the crank pulley has had a slight slip and the valves are hitting pistons, had a camera down the spark plug holes and can’t see any marks or damage, when this happened the car started running lumpy too so wanted to know if anyone had lifter problems and wether it caused the engine to run lumpy

 

[Crayola]

Have you checked the timing? Sometimes if the valves catch they dont make any marks on the pistons they just bend and they start to smash against the head instead.

Post a vid of the noise

 

[zak182ff]

Have you checked the timing? Sometimes if the valves catch they dont make any marks on the pistons they just bend and they start to smash against the head instead.

Post a vid of the noise

 

[zak182ff]

Think one video posted twice, that’s from cold start on it too

 

[zak182ff]

Have you checked the timing? Sometimes if the valves catch they dont make any marks on the pistons they just bend and they start to smash against the head instead.

Post a vid of the noise

I have checked the timing on cams and it’s sitting spot on. Not checked the crank timing yet as doing this Saturday morning

 

[NorthloopCup]

I have checked the timing on cams and it’s sitting spot on. Not checked the crank timing yet as doing this Saturday morning

So how have you checked the cam timing but not the crank timing? Did you not put the locking pin in the crank when you checked the cam timing?

What poundage rate are the uprated springs? Did you fit them at the correct fitted height?

 

[zak182ff]

So how have you checked the cam timing but not the crank timing? Did you not put the locking pin in the crank when you checked the cam timing?

What poundage rate are the uprated springs? Did you fit them at the correct fitted height?

Car was running perfect for about 600 miles and then the tapping noise started on a short journey out Sunday. So when the timing was set after fitting the springs it was done with cam lock tool and pin with sump off. I’ve took cam caps off to make sure the the belt hadn’t slipped a tooth and they are still sitting as they should be. They are cat cam uprated springs for standard fitment and was told they sit at the standard height so no need for any adjustments on height

 

[zak182ff]

Car was running perfect for about 600 miles and then the tapping noise started on a short journey out Sunday. So when the timing was set after fitting the springs it was done with cam lock tool and pin with sump off. I’ve took cam caps off to make sure the the belt hadn’t slipped a tooth and they are still sitting as they should be. They are cat cam uprated springs for standard fitment and was told they sit at the standard height so no need for any adjustments on height

800 miles sorry, for some reason autocorrect changed it to 600

 

[NorthloopCup]

Car was running perfect for about 600 miles and then the tapping noise started on a short journey out Sunday. So when the timing was set after fitting the springs it was done with cam lock tool and pin with sump off. I’ve took cam caps off to make sure the the belt hadn’t slipped a tooth and they are still sitting as they should be. They are cat cam uprated springs for standard fitment and was told they sit at the standard height so no need for any adjustments on height

Right ok. Well you’ve either got a failed/stuck tapper/tappets, one of the collets hasn’t swayed correctly, or as @bloke says one of the followers isn’t sat correctly. All my opinion, and I can’t listen to the sound files you’ve put on for whatever reason, so I can only guess at best.

 

[zak182ff]

Right ok. Well you’ve either got a failed/stuck tapper/tappets, one of the collets hasn’t swayed correctly, or as @bloke says one of the followers isn’t sat correctly. All my opinion, and I can’t listen to the sound files you’ve put on for whatever reason, so I can only guess at best.

Love these engines but what a pain to take the rocker cover off lol, will lock cams etc and get it stripped down tomo evening or Saturday morning to have a look. If you follow me on insta then I can send the video I posted on here, didn’t think it would work. zakkyboy_182

 

[bloke]

Right ok. Well you’ve either got a failed/stuck tapper/tappets, one of the collets hasn’t swayed correctly, or as @bloke says one of the followers isn’t sat correctly. All my opinion, and I can’t listen to the sound files you’ve put on for whatever reason, so I can only guess at best.

forgot about the box sorry!!!!! will check tomorrow.

 

[NorthloopCup]

Love these engines but what a pain to take the rocker cover off lol, will lock cams etc and get it stripped down tomo evening or Saturday morning to have a look. If you follow me on insta then I can send the video I posted on here, didn’t think it would work. zakkyboy_182

I’m afraid I don’t do Instagram mate. I ain’t down with the kids! 😂

 

[NorthloopCup]

forgot about the box sorry!!!!! will check tomorrow.

Flol! I tried ringing you the other day too! 😂

 

[bloke]

Flol! I tried ringing you the other day too! 😂

phone been on silent for few days, trying to catch up on stuff!!!!!

 

[zak182ff]

I’m afraid I don’t do Instagram mate. I ain’t down with the kids! 😂

Haha fair play, only use it for meets and family myself. Will say that when engine was first started after the rebuild the tappets took about 15 seconds to settle back in and the noise is almost identical to it

 

[NorthloopCup]

phone been on silent for few days, trying to catch up on stuff!!!!!

No worries mate. 👍🏻

 

[NorthloopCup]

Haha fair play, only use it for meets and family myself. Will say that when engine was first started after the rebuild the tappets took about 15 seconds to settle back in and the noise is almost identical to it

How many miles had the engine covered before the rebuild?

 

[zak182ff]

How many miles had the engine covered before the rebuild?

115,000 lol. I got it at 95k and done oil changes every 5k and I’ve looked after it. A fellow member on here once owned it and seemed to look after it but can’t say the owner after him who I got it from looked after it, I’ve had it 3 years now and never let me down apart from injectors once

 

[zak182ff]

 

[NorthloopCup]

115,000 lol. I got it at 95k and done oil changes every 5k and I’ve looked after it. A fellow member on here once owned it and seemed to look after it but can’t say the owner after him who I got it from looked after it, I’ve had it 3 years now and never let me down apart from injectors once

Ah right ok, well it’s not monstrous mileage tbf mate. I’ve had these lifters apart to make a dummy for converting an engine to solid lifters, and I can see how one could fail and stick.

 

[NorthloopCup]

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Looks clean mate!

 

[zak182ff]

Ah right ok, well it’s not monstrous mileage tbf mate. I’ve had these lifters apart to make a dummy for converting an engine to solid lifters, and I can see how one could fail and stick.

Oh nice and looked at pms solid lifters but wouldn’t do them until I do cams and some other engine work.
What I thought was the uprated springs might have caused one or a few to fail due to them kicking back slightly faster and them not being used to it

 

[zak182ff]

Looks clean mate!

Thanks and Few little stone chips which is expected and a few minor parking dents but getting all sorted at some point in the near future.

 

[NorthloopCup]

Oh nice and looked at pms solid lifters but wouldn’t do them until I do cams and some other engine work.
What I thought was the uprated springs might have caused one or a few to fail due to them kicking back slightly faster and them not being used to it

You’ll only need solid lifters if you start chasing big n/a horsepower tbh mate. I’m building one currently for one of my mates and that’s going on solids. Dry sump and 50mm itbs in the pursuit of numbers!

There’s a thread I started on here somewhere.

 

[zak182ff]

You’ll only need solid lifters if you start chasing big n/a horsepower tbh mate. I’m building one currently for one of my mates and that’s going on solids. Dry sump and 50mm itbs in the pursuit of numbers!

There’s a thread I started on here somewhere.

Yeah maybe in the future for me lol, had a fiesta xr2 years back on Weber’s and can’t beat that noise and always wanted something more current with itbs since. Nearly done it on my ph1 19 16v some years ago but had kids and put them first. And scrapped the ph1 lol

 

[zak182ff]

Thanks for your input tonight @NorthloopCup and the others that commented, will update over the weekend

 

[NorthloopCup]

Thanks for your input tonight @NorthloopCup and the others that commented, will update over the weekend

No worries mate! Yeah definitely keep us posted!

 

[zak182ff]

No worries mate! Yeah definitely keep us posted!

Post update done the dephaser and still a problem with top end noise and rattling. Rocker cover off and all followers seem ok but does anyone know if they are supposed to go back to a solid state after testing them

 

[NorthloopCup]

Post update done the dephaser and still a problem with top end noise and rattling. Rocker cover off and all followers seem ok but does anyone know if they are supposed to go back to a solid state after testing them

There’s no real way to test hydraulic lifters mate. Did you put them in a vice and squash all the oil out of them? You would’ve been better off buying a new set of INA lifters and putting them in tbh.

 

[zak182ff]

When they was originally refitted into the engine they was left out a few months and then soaked in oil for 10 minutes prior to placing them back in. Tonight I was told to put in a vice and any that are ok shouldn’t be able to squash that easy and the failed ones will release the oil inside. My brothers place is an ina dealer so he’s ordering them for me tomorrow. I’m getting oil to the dephaser too so I’m assuming the solenoid is ok too. All the rockers sit fine and all valves and springs sitting perfect too

 

[zak182ff]

Post update. Done followers and dephaser and found that a injector has completely failed and gone dry and Caused rod knock so I think it’s done the big end and main bearings. crank is coming out and having bearings done