had a bump - people claiming off me

[dan1.2]

Hello,

A bit of advice if you could!

I was driving to work on Friday and ended up shunting a car infront of me about 3-5mph. We were on a roundabout and they suddenly braked… Pulled over on the side of the road there was no damage to any of the cars. I gave them my details, they did the same took a photo to prove no damage and drove to work.

Today, I've received a call from my car insurance saying I've been accused of driving into the back of the car; the people have received injuries and are claiming off me!

They both were fine; the woman was more bothered about her chocolate cake. They said they were fine and they drove off to their destination as did I.

The woman on the phone was really arsey and said that they aren't putting in a claim for damage to the car but to injuries to themselves. My reply to that was if the car wasn't damaged, how can they be injured? I received no injuries (admittedly a bit of pride damaged)

So I'm looking at losing my 2 years no claims and having to pay for someone who I think is blatantly trying to pull a fast one.

Where do I stand with this, I'm not going to roll over and admit that i've caused them injuries when they were walking around fine and the person bent over to take a picture of my car...

Thanks

(sorry if this doesn't make sense, I'm filled with rage)

 

[GiT]

Ya gonna get bummed.

How, honestly can you prove any other way? Grease up!

 

[Jaff.]

I had near enough exactly the same thing happen to me.

never heard what happened with it tbh I filled the claim form out and that's the last I heared of it. This was in 2008

 

[dan1.2]

but wouldn't there be hospital reports and wouldn't have got a visit from the police with them giving me a incident number?

 

[Mark_P]

Sadly GiT is correct. Bend over and think of Wales.

The only (tiny) glimmer of hope is that there's now a drive to cut down on whiplash claims, but basically you're screwed.

 

[The Russian.]

Ya gonna get bummed.

How, honestly can you prove any other way? Grease up!

This!!

The scumbags of today

 

[Mark_P]

but wouldn't there be hospital reports and wouldn't have got a visit from the police with them giving me a incident number?

It's not hard to get an appointment with your GP and go "oowww my neck's is so sore", no x-ray required.... "soft tissue damage"

Did I heard you say that you saw their reverse lights come on?

 

[DrR]

Guessing it's to late to deny it now, Only advice I can give is don't drive so close to the car in front.

The actual cost of the claim seems to be irrelevant, if it's 50p or £1000000000. It's just a claim in the insurance companies eyes.

 

[GiT]

The police needed calling to the incident if it was bad, and weren't. You can claim that.

It's annoying but it's you versus them, and you'll not of given your details if you hadn't hit them. That's what they'll say. They just make out you was going quicker than you was.

It'll get messy - and as you cannot prove your speed they get to dictate it because they are "The Victims".

At least if you have their address you can get in some revenge first.

 

[dan1.2]

In all honestly I didn't see any brake lights, I slammed my foot on the brake when I realised what was happening. I was going to ask them to see their brake lights, but I thought if they didn't work they'd say I'd broke them...

 

[BoatNonce]

You'll be bent over, and then the insurers will slip it straight up. It'll hurt at first, but you'll get used to it eventually.

It's not like they make any effort to fight false whiplash claims either.

 

[GiT]

A trick scammers do is disengage their brake lights on a switch... no lights and WALLOP.

 

[Oldtimer49er]

Mate,
You shouldn't have exchanged details if both parties agreed that there was no damage, what's your insurance fully comp or third party, if fully comp have you got any legal protection on the policy ?

 

[Beasley Clio182]

I'd check because I'm almost certain they have to prove they had whiplash ie doctors medical report ! Plus to with stain whiplash you have to be traveling at so many mile per hour ! Not certain but it's worth checking !

 

[dan1.2]

Thanks for the advice, I find it an absolute joke that people can get away with stuff like this! My insurance company claims on my documentation that I've got £100k's worth of legal advice but failed to offer me any adivce on what I can do, except for having a massive rant at me!

To get me on the road I had to pay £3200 for third party fire and theft. This year I felt they raped me by paying £700 - when people have driven into me and I've not wanted to get insurance involved. I'd understand if I'd driven to at 30mph and was arsey when I got out the car, but for them to say they were fine and don't worry about it then to screw me over is a total kick in the balls.

 

[Oldtimer49er]

The police needed calling to the incident if it was bad, and weren't. You can claim that.

It's annoying but it's you versus them, and you'll not of given your details if you hadn't hit them. That's what they'll say. They just make out you was going quicker than you was.

It'll get messy - and as you cannot prove your speed they get to dictate it because they are "The Victims".

At least if you have their address you can get in some revenge first.

If I remember right GiT, the police have to called to any accidents involving personnel injuries

 

[BoatNonce]

However, such an 'injury' can develop a few weeks after the accident. In which case the police don't have to get involved.

Someone's trying it on me too, although I think they've left it a little late at 6 months. :headno:

 

[dan1.2]

I'm half tempted to get some of my friends to film them coming out of there house to see if they've received injuries... how would this stand up legally?

 

[Oldtimer49er]

Thanks for the advice, I find it an absolute joke that people can get away with stuff like this! My insurance company claims on my documentation that I've got £100k's worth of legal advice but failed to offer me any adivce on what I can do, except for having a massive rant at me!

To get me on the road I had to pay £3200 for third party fire and theft. This year I felt they raped me by paying £700 - when people have driven into me and I've not wanted to get insurance involved. I'd understand if I'd driven to at 30mph and was arsey when I got out the car, but for them to say they were fine and don't worry about it then to screw me over is a total kick in the balls.

Ring your insurance company back, explain the situation to them again, try to make them understand that's this is a stitch up.
If you feel that strong about it and don,t get any joy with the insurance you could get a solicitor involved , it's up to you really.

 

[Nick_Leeds]

Speaking to Elephant the other day the bloke on the phone said they don't even investigate the personal injury claims and offer up to £1500 for any claim received. Dont even ask for any evidence.

The culture of claiming personal injury is f*cked.

 

[BoatNonce]

Sadly the insurers will sooner pay out for the claim than try and fight it and risk losing.

 

[GiT]

I had a lad try it with me via The Accident Group. 10+ Years ago now.

He rode out in front of me on his bike and I hit him, he bounced off and went head first into the side of a Hyundai. Face was wrecked.

He tried to sue me for the injuries - but got nowhere as I drew and plotted his course V's mine. He basically came out of a 1 way system the wrong way, going towards another one way lane. In other words he was in all the wrong places and couldn't explain it except "going to sign on".

So he didn't get a penny. Glad too, because if CCTV were used they would of seen I aimed for him lol.

 

[Oldtimer49er]

However, such an 'injury' can develop a few weeks after the accident. In which case the police don't have to get involved.

Someone's trying it on me too, although I think they've left it a little late at 6 months. :headno:

I tend to agree with you there, 6 months.

 

[Jack!]

I know this sounds really stupid and potentially illegal, and it may well be too late in your case - but couldn't you just deny the accident ever happening? If there's no damage to their car then what proof is there that there was any accident? If there were witness reports, won't they just side with you and say you were going so slow there's no possible way you could have injured them?

Also, when you exchanged details, did you get theirs? If so the least you could do is take a s**t and post it through their letterbox - I f**king hate people that do s**t like this, so many money grabbing b*****ds, they don't give a s**t about the bigger picture as soon as some money is put infront of them, does anyone give a s**t about the greater impact on everyone else anymore? When did the world become such a selfish place - makes me sad.

 

[scotty2hotty81]

Currently going through this myself, but there was no contact with mine! Fight it to the end, your insurance company should be on your side, when it goes to court (if it goes that far) and the judge finds out there is no damage it will get thrown out.

 

[dan1.2]

Basically then I'm f*cked then by the looks of things. Reading up on it on the tinternet, looks like 100's of people have been in the same boat as me and have lost everytime.

You'd have thought if car insurance companies are loosing millions of pounds over this they'd have down a massive clampdown on it. I guess next year i'll be buying a mo-ped...

 

[@Spoonie]

You have to fight it.

 

[Jack!]

How much are they claiming for? Is there no way you can just pay them directly without going through insurance? Sounds like you're young, and I understand that a claim so early on is going to do you over for quite some time, probably more in the long run than it would be if you just paid them like £1k directly, despite how sick that'll no doubt make you feel.

 

[brisa4984]

this happened to me..

you are fucked.

 

[Oldtimer49er]

How much are they claiming for? Is there no way you can just pay them directly without going through insurance? Sounds like you're young, and I understand that a claim so early on is going to do you over for quite some time, probably more in the long run than it would be if you just paid them like £1k directly, despite how sick that'll no doubt make you feel.

No way in this world do this, you will open up yourself to however much they want.

Don,t give up mate, fight it all the way

 

[dan1.2]

I'm 20, wouldn't be driving a 1.2 if I could afford to insure a 172 Ph1 lol. Yeah, they didn't say how much for. They wanted me to accept that it's my fault. Once I worked out what was going on, I said I'm not accepting anything until I seek out some adivce, then they said they were referring my case to a 3rd party. I'd thought I'd try here first aha. I know a woman who's husband owns a personal injury company - so I might see if they can give me some advice tomorrow, but I haven't spoke to them in about 6 months so I don't know how thats going to go.

 

[Jack!]

In which case, I'll just add what others have said, fight it to the death.

 

[Oldtimer49er]

I'm 20, wouldn't be driving a 1.2 if I could afford to insure a 172 Ph1 lol. Yeah, they didn't say how much for. They wanted me to accept that it's my fault. Once I worked out what was going on, I said I'm not accepting anything until I seek out some adivce, then they said they were referring my case to a 3rd party. I'd thought I'd try here first aha. I know a woman who's husband owns a personal injury company - so I might see if they can give me some advice tomorrow, but I haven't spoke to them in about 6 months so I don't know how thats going to go.

Who wants you to accept liability ? Your insurance or the other cars occupants ?

 

[dan1.2]

my car insurance company by the sounds of it. The woman was basically shouting down the phone to me.

 

[Oldtimer49er]

Then in that case I would defo ring them back, explain what happened again, tell them there was no damage and you have photo evidence , also tell them that you pay them to run your insurance and they should be looking after your interests, not the 3rd parties

 

[GiT]

Got their address? 3am - go round and yank off their bumper.

Take the evidence with you! lol

 

[Jack!]

I haven't seen it mentioned yet; who are you insured with?

 

[sam_clio182]

Got their address? 3am - go round and yank off their bumper.

Take the evidence with you! lol

FLOL!!

 

[Ol’ Tarby]

Boils my piss this does!

Surely if pictures can be provided that there was no damage whatsoever, then insurers should be able to use a bit of common sense and say "woah hold on, how can this chancer be injured if there isn't a mark on the car"

 

[dan1.2]

I'm with 'ecar' I don't want to upload the photo of their car, in the rare case it gets seen by some benson and I get bent over..again!