Double declutching, heel and toe etc

[Amos91]

I don't see why everyone harks on about trail braking when i was barely getting any understeer or oversteer on a soaking wet track! My evening at snetterton was probably the first time I didnt drive all kamikaze and try rallying it lol and it seemed fine.

Only really for lap times. It can allow you to brake a little later as you continue the braking into the corner instead of finishing it before.

 

[JoeMarano]

Suppose it depends on your lines and that as wellI guess.

 

[MarkCup]

Plus it's fun, it get's the car moving about, helps you learn more about how it behaves and how you can influence it.

 

[JamesBryan]

Some tracks are better than others for trail braking too.

My local, Oulton is great for it.

 

[EVOgone]

Looking at the video I would say focus on the Apex rather than heel and toe........

 

[bozothenutter]

ok...I have started practicing...pictures of crashed car to follow.....

 

[Jamie86]

Left foot braking is the one to help you crash when practicing!

 

[NorthloopCup]

Left foot braking is the one to help you crash when practicing!

Lol! Or wake you up if your not paying attention!

 

[182Trophy]

Learning to heel and toe is easy in the clio as the throttle response is pretty decent. Practice rev matching forst to get a feel for the response and required pressure and your more than half way there.

 

[STEVE.M]

Or forget it all and buy something that auto rev matches downshifts for you, like the Nissan 370Z,

Or the very slow RS Clio Mk4 1600T.

 

[STEVE.M]

That said, they had their braking done and dusted in a straight line before being back on the power for the corners.

You can bet that they all raced proddy ZX900 A1`s in 1984.

 

[Thrust-Rated]

Don't you run the risk of locking wheels up when braking mid corner?
I'm sure when I had a little tuition before I got told that? May be wrong though.

Interesting thread nonetheless

 

[NorthloopCup]

Don't you run the risk of locking wheels up when braking mid corner?
I'm sure when I had a little tuition before I got told that? May be wrong though.

Interesting thread nonetheless

Not trail braking no. Unless your braking too hard obviously or unbalancing the car to a large extent. Trail braking is used to help shift the weight forwards and increase the front end grip. Also helps to get the front end pointing more where you want it.

When you've got the hang of it, it's useful in everyday driving too. Especially in company cars/works vans. These are THE fastest vehicles on the road. Because you don't have to fix them when you break them. Lol!

 

[Thrust-Rated]

Ah I see.
I tend to blip throttle on down changes but I do keep meaning to practice heel and toe.

 

[imprezaworks]

I've practised heal and toe, I fail

 

[JoeMarano]

After making the thread I've practiced but its just not practical with the clio pedals and trainers imo. I end up just cocking up my cornering or braking or both.

As to the locking wheels up. I've never done that in any vehicle in ten years of driving so I wouldbt worrg about that!

 

[bozothenutter]

I use adidas superstars...but my feet are tiny and I neef the extra width.

 

[Dan The Top Bloke]

I'll be trying a bit of heel and toe but cant say i wont crash

 

[MarkCup]

Left foot braking is the one to help you crash when practicing!

Long empty motorway exits are good for practicing this too.

I was lucky enough to be 'gifted' a rattly old 2.5 V6 auto Vauxhall Omega which I ran for a year before selling it on. From day one I swore to myself that my right foot would never touch the brake pedal. It was hard work, in the beginning it was like the first time I ever drove a car with no feel or sensitivity and constantly pressing way too hard. Got there in the end though.

As with everything, practice, practice, practice.

As for footwear, it matters not one bit in my opinion. I can do it in wellies or slippers LOL.

 

[Ex-User (19928)]

As for footwear, it matters not one bit in my opinion. I can do it in wellies or slippers LOL.

Heh, I thought of this thread driving my Mum home- I offered to drive but was wearing flip flops. And the accelerator in a Fiat Panda is higher than the brake pedal, I made it work though.

 

[JoshE]

I drove a 911 (think it was a carrerra GTS) manual at the porsche silverstone track and this matched revs on downswifts, I thought it was pretty awesome.

 

[172_Tom]

I've practised heal and toe, I fail

You must be doing spelling it wrong!

 

[imprezaworks]

right

 

[172_Tom]

After making the thread I've practiced but its just not practical with the clio pedals and trainers imo. I end up just cocking up my cornering or braking or both.

As to the locking wheels up. I've never done that in any vehicle in ten years of driving so I wouldbt worrg about that!

Did you try it while stationary? Try that first, then while braking lightly in a straight line. You should get in the right gear before the corner not during the corner - this goes for road and track driving.

Don't worry about trail braking yet - the idea is to turn in as you ease off the brakes to help bring the nose in towards the apex. Brake too hard while turning in and the back end might try to overtake the front.

 

[BoatNonce]

After making the thread I've practiced but its just not practical with the clio pedals and trainers imo.

I do it in steel toe caps

 

[Hixle]

I tend to use the ball of my foot to brake and 'lean' the outside of my foot under the little toe to blip the throttle.

I've done it ever since I had a ZS at 19 to do it by habit now.

Footwear to me makes little to no odds IMO!

 

[Goodj]

I get into gear before the corner, with blips on downshift.Then heavy brake pedal and engine breaking combine.
Apex.
Throttle.
Wind off lock.

T-Junction? Nailed it

 

[Rocket2042]

I'm no track day expert at all but on the road the blip of the throttle for downshifts is a little lazy & more of a rallying type downchange where time Is of the essence. The correct process is after you have reduced speed for the bend to then get a pulling engine in the gear you are in. Basically a light trailing throttle. You should then keep your right foot perfectly still. The clutch goes down & the revs should rise enough to take the lower gear. It needs a bit of practise but makes for a very smooth downshift.
Obviously this is a road practise & not track - which I have no knowledge about.
The above method is for smooth progressive road driving.
Thanks. Great site.

 

[Knuckles]

Isn't the point of heel and toe to keep the car balanced while braking later (and harder due to engine braking) into corners?

And it gives you all the power and the right gear you need to exit the corner.

I was just thinking about this today.