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Clio 172 cup rally/race/track car



Nathan Evans

ClioSport Club Member
  Audi rs3/Clio 172cup
Nice!

I've always fancied a standard Cup. Will be rare in the future as so many have been stripped.
That’s the plan. This one is untouched apart from some stickers. Runs and drives great and weirdly feels quicker than my rally car. Plan is to mint it up and keep hold of it.
 

Nathan Evans

ClioSport Club Member
  Audi rs3/Clio 172cup
Not much of an update this week. Got the cup in the unit.
The paint work is booked in for a tidy up next week. It has had a bad spray before down one side and the lacquer has faded.
But if anyone want a cheap cup I might let is go already. The units not big enough for all the cars and spares we’ve got 😂

The rally cars been treated to a new set of front callipers but I have been contemplating for brembos or hi spec 4 pots. But would like to drive a car with them to feel if it’s actually worth while

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massivewangers

ClioSport Club Member
  Several
But then some of these muppets in the rally world who reckon I’ve got 240bhp in it will definitely not believe me when I say the engine is standard with a nice shiney cam cover. I’ll keep that for when I do eventually build a proper engine for it.
True. I'd just chuck some VHT paint at it or something. The OCD is strong with me though lol
 

Nathan Evans

ClioSport Club Member
  Audi rs3/Clio 172cup
New calipers fitted but still looking at going down the Brembo 4 pot route.
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Managed to get on special stage rally reviews coverage of last months SMC Stages at Anglesey



Also tomorrow at 9am the entry is out for The Harry Flatters Rally on Epynt. Same place as the rally I’ve just done but using a lot more roads. 70 stage miles with a total of 170 miles all together incudling road sections. Really looking forward to this one as it’s a step up again and you get to do a recce of the stages on Saturday to perfect the pace notes.
 

green

ClioSport Club Member
  Hi comp phase 1
I’ve got the brembo conversion. Yes they are very good and give a bling factor but for me they are that much better than the standard setup with decent pad.
There is the benefit of better cooling and weight saving...I've also have 2 piece discs as well to save some more unsprung weight.
What I want to try is the 197 master cylinder to shorten the peddle as it’s a bit longer now... I have got used to it now as I feel there’s more variation in the braking.
Even thou at the start I said they aren’t better than standard, writing this has actually made the Brembo’s a much better system than standard.
Good luck in your next rally...looks like you go really well (y)(y)
 

Nathan Evans

ClioSport Club Member
  Audi rs3/Clio 172cup
I’ve got the brembo conversion. Yes they are very good and give a bling factor but for me they are that much better than the standard setup with decent pad.
There is the benefit of better cooling and weight saving...I've also have 2 piece discs as well to save some more unsprung weight.
What I want to try is the 197 master cylinder to shorten the peddle as it’s a bit longer now... I have got used to it now as I feel there’s more variation in the braking.
Even thou at the start I said they aren’t better than standard, writing this has actually made the Brembo’s a much better system than standard.
Good luck in your next rally...looks like you go really well (y)(y)
Thanks for your input. It’s definitely something I want to try as I’m not happy with the brakes at the minute. Even with 2 new calipers the breaking has completely changed. Not sure if the pads I’m using have changed the compound slightly but they’re getting far to hot. Even put in a brand new set of pads today and it’s no better. Only thing I wouldn’t want too happen is get a long pedal though.

What size discs are you using with yours?
 

NorthloopCup

ClioSport Moderator
Thanks for your input. It’s definitely something I want to try as I’m not happy with the brakes at the minute. Even with 2 new calipers the breaking has completely changed. Not sure if the pads I’m using have changed the compound slightly but they’re getting far to hot. Even put in a brand new set of pads today and it’s no better. Only thing I wouldn’t want too happen is get a long pedal though.

What size discs are you using with yours?
Honestly mate, you won’t have longer pedal travel on a cup mc and Brembos. Mine were f**king awesome on my cup, and properly hauled the speed off. I was using ds1.11’s.
 

green

ClioSport Club Member
  Hi comp phase 1
@Nathan Evan I'm only running a 283mm to get them under a 15” wheel as I’m to tight to pay for 16” tyres. I’ve also got the ds1:11 pads..they took a bit of running in but really good bite. I did have CL rc6 pads in standard callipers and Tarox f2000 disc which needed hardly any running in, I ran that setup for a few years...they are so great it was the tyres giving giving up after half an hour...not great for light braking as they squeal to hell but perfect for hard braking. I still have abs.
A lot on here say the rear brakes don’t do much but I found having a decent pad in there scrubbed speed off better than having standard pads.
Must admit the stopping power on the track car compared to my standard 182 is a world apart..even from cold they out perform.
Just thought sharing my experiences may help.
 

Nathan Evans

ClioSport Club Member
  Audi rs3/Clio 172cup
Honestly mate, you won’t have longer pedal travel on a cup mc and Brembos. Mine were f**king awesome on my cup, and properly hauled the speed off. I was using ds1.11’s.
Mega. I’m going to have to try them. Only other thing I’ve changed is the fluid to ATE type 200 which could be causing a problem.

@Nathan Evan I'm only running a 283mm to get them under a 15” wheel as I’m to tight to pay for 16” tyres. I’ve also got the ds1:11 pads..they took a bit of running in but really good bite. I did have CL rc6 pads in standard callipers and Tarox f2000 disc which needed hardly any running in, I ran that setup for a few years...they are so great it was the tyres giving giving up after half an hour...not great for light braking as they squeal to hell but perfect for hard braking. I still have abs.
A lot on here say the rear brakes don’t do much but I found having a decent pad in there scrubbed speed off better than having standard pads.
Must admit the stopping power on the track car compared to my standard 182 is a world apart..even from cold they out perform.
Just thought sharing my experiences may help.

Yeah the cars on braided lines running inside the car with a Tilton bias valve so I can get the rears locking up if I want to. I’ve never had a problem with the brakes before, it’s only lately I’ve started having issues and loosing the pedal. Not ideal when you’ve flat in 5th on a narrow road up a mountain and you press the brakes and nothing happens 😂
 

Nathan Evans

ClioSport Club Member
  Audi rs3/Clio 172cup
The standard 172 cup lasted long. Sold on the weekend for a tidy bit of profit without advertising it for sale
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And I’ve gone down the brembo route off @GrahamS.
Looking forward to trying these out over the next week or so.
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I’ve also fitted a new RRS Direct plumbed in extinguisher as mine needed servicing but need upgrading at the end of the year to the bigger system with more nozzles. What a nightmare it was to fit with the dash and seats all in place.
 

Nathan Evans

ClioSport Club Member
  Audi rs3/Clio 172cup
Test fitted the Brembos tonight.

The new et 38 speedlines fit with no spacers but loads of room with 5mm spacers.

Et40 set only just fit with 5mm spacers

Et38 cup racer don’t fit at all. Would need about 30mm spacer for them to fit 😂.


So I either sell the callipers or sell 2 sets of wheels and buy another 2 sets

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massivewangers

ClioSport Club Member
  Several
The standard 172 cup lasted long. Sold on the weekend for a tidy bit of profit without advertising it for sale
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And I’ve gone down the brembo route off @GrahamS.
Looking forward to trying these out over the next week or so.
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I’ve also fitted a new RRS Direct plumbed in extinguisher as mine needed servicing but need upgrading at the end of the year to the bigger system with more nozzles. What a nightmare it was to fit with the dash and seats all in place.
Are extinguisher rules changing again, have I missed something? I have an RRS kit with six nozzles, I'm just going to let the car burn if that's now wrong lol
 

bloke

ClioSport Club Member
  dan's cast offs.
The brembo is just big, heavy and has expensive pads. Wilwoods are about 1kg lighter, fit comfortably under 15" wheels and pads are about 1/3 of the price.
 

Nathan Evans

ClioSport Club Member
  Audi rs3/Clio 172cup
The brembo is just big, heavy and has expensive pads. Wilwoods are about 1kg lighter, fit comfortably under 15" wheels and pads are about 1/3 of the price.
Not into the whole willwood thing. s**t disc, small pistons and pads aren’t cheaper for me when I have a big pbs sticker on the bonnet 😉
 

Pauleds

ClioSport Club Member
  172 Cup Rally Car
Willwoods give nothing but trouble, had them on my 205 gti but sold them. Mate also sacked them off from his Darrian.
My AP 4 pots fit under 15" wheels with 295mm rotors and are lighter and much more compact than Brembo
 

Nathan Evans

ClioSport Club Member
  Audi rs3/Clio 172cup
Are extinguisher rules changing again, have I missed something? I have an RRS kit with six nozzles, I'm just going to let the car burn if that's now wrong lol
No that’s fine. It’s the 2.75 and the smaller handheld that’s the issue. They’re ok until 2021 I think. But was pointless me servicing them at £40 a extinguisher then having to chage them anyway when the bigger RRS kit is under £200
 


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