yeah that was my point exactly if i was to hit the brakes hard in a accident i dont want them to lock up because they hav'nt got abs its just nice to have the safety there, my ph1 did have abs but the brakes was still not that good but on my previous car i did have red dott pads and discs all round so i think i was expecting too much from them, im still going to uprate it because i think it will be worth it :rasp: