172 Cup driveshaft sourcing

fixedgear · Sep 9, 2016

STEVE.M said:
To be fair,their regular 172 PH2 OE shaft
s are priced at £139 I/c.
Just seems be an anomaly with the cup ones.
Anyway,the J&R`s are £50 a pop,DS20 & 21,and as long as you can get them to go bang within 24 months,you will never need to pay for another.

Don't really want them going bang tbh. Could be a £300 day at the track down the swanny.

Chris_Beer · Sep 9, 2016

Pauleds said:
after i asked for that part number and the bloke was an arse saying it wasn't listed for my cup, and there wasn't a shaft listed for mine

Chris_Beer said:
(When you order quote these part numbers and not the registration of the car)

punk_rallye said:
Don't really want them going bang tbh. Could be a £300 day at the track down the swanny.

To be fair anything could happen on a track day, luck of the draw but you should check/test the car a bit before hand anyway in my experience.

fixedgear · Sep 9, 2016

Chris_Beer said:
:wink:

To be fair anything could happen on a track day, luck of the draw but you should check/test the car a bit before hand anyway in my experience.

Of course but it is made to sound like these J&R are inferior parts and are cost effective due to failing before the warranty end date.

Chris_Beer · Sep 9, 2016

Indeed

Pay for what you get tbh. I am not expecting much but fed up of second hand "good" shafts off people that are scrap

STEVE.M · Sep 9, 2016

Pauleds said:
Have you fitted some to yours @STEVE.M
I ordered a ds21 for mine yesterday after i asked for that part number and the bloke was an arse saying it wasn't listed for my cup, and there wasn't a shaft listed for mine.
(It was the same bloke from the other day who said they didn't do them, not Lee)
And only charged £35

Chris_Beer did all the cup ground work with J&R,see post 23 on this thread.
I have a std PH2 172,so DS20/21 is not correct fitment for mine & I have been running a Shaftec drivers side for 10k now with no problems.

STEVE.M · Sep 9, 2016

punk_rallye said:
Of course but it is made to sound like these J&R are inferior parts and are cost effective due to failing before the warranty end date.

If that was the case,J&R would have ceased trading some time ago.
I do know someone local to me who has had a pair of £25 shafts on his 1.2 clio for over two years now and they are going strong still.
I made the comment as a wry observation,not a prediction.

flebay · Sep 10, 2016

punk_rallye said:
Of course but it is made to sound like these J&R are inferior parts and are cost effective due to failing before the warranty end date.

http://www.reviewcompany.co.uk/j-and-r-cv-joints-reviews/

flebay · Sep 10, 2016

https://en-gb.facebook.com/J-and-R-CV-Joints-and-Driveshafts-210671608976026/reviews/

flebay · Sep 10, 2016

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/285139-jr-driveshafts-avoid/

fixedgear · Sep 12, 2016

flebay said:
https://en-gb.facebook.com/J-and-R-CV-Joints-and-Driveshafts-210671608976026/reviews/

Love reading those disgruntled reviews. That poor woman is "discussed" by J&R :tongueclosed:

I think I might seek some shafts elsewhere..

imprezaworks · Sep 12, 2016

I'm still alive. Thought i'd share that.

scotiamr2t · Sep 12, 2016

Too many people read into the bad reviews. I have had J+R shafts on my track car for well over a year now with no issues at all. Also had them on numerous other cars with zero issues knee thousands of miles of motoring

flebay · Sep 12, 2016

scotiamr2t said:
Too many people read into the bad reviews. I have had J+R shafts on my track car for well over a year now with no issues at all. Also had them on numerous other cars with zero issues knee thousands of miles of motoring

STEVE.M · Sep 12, 2016

scotiamr2t said:
Too many people read into the bad reviews. I have had J+R shafts on my track car for well over a year now with no issues at all. Also had them on numerous other cars with zero issues knee thousands of miles of motoring

For every bad review,there are usually hundreds of satisfied customers,and I`m not convinced that some reviews are not being strategically placed by,how shall I put it,those with a vested interest,both good & bad.

Chris_Beer · Sep 12, 2016

Just to say mine arrived the next day (overnight)

However I haven't touched the car to fit them yet, but I saw the replies and thought i'd chuck up a couple of photos.

Only have a spare passenger shaft to compare to a standard item, measured and it's the same length for sure. Will get some of the drivers side once I pull it off the car.

Haven't tapped off the ABS rings yet either, but I noticed my standard shaft has one fitted, seen other Cup's with them too, odd.

flebay · Sep 12, 2016

Chris_Beer said:
Haven't tapped off the ABS rings yet either, but I noticed my standard shaft has one fitted, seen other Cup's with them too, odd.

They had the ABS rings on when they left the factory, i think they must fit something other than the 172 cup.

STEVE.M · Sep 12, 2016

Chris_Beer said:
However I haven't touched the car to fit them yet, but I saw the replies and thought i'd chuck up a couple of photos

I can never make the pics come out in the order I intended either.
I replaced the keyboard my dog trashed 2 nights ago by jumping on the table & knocking my beer over.
£6.99 from Argos & it works.

STEVE.M · Sep 12, 2016

flebay said:
They had the ABS rings on when they left the factory, i think they must fit something other than the 172 cup.

By elimination,PH1 possibly or some early Megane?

Chris_Beer · Sep 12, 2016

STEVE.M said:
By elimination,PH1 possibly or some early Megane?

Parts bin, probably a Renault 4 lol

STEVE.M · Sep 12, 2016

Chris_Beer said:
Parts bin, probably a Renault 4 lol

Exactly.EPC should be in the public domain.

fixedgear · Sep 13, 2016

Chris_Beer said:
Just to say mine arrived the next day (overnight)

However I haven't touched the car to fit them yet, but I saw the replies and thought i'd chuck up a couple of photos.

Only have a spare passenger shaft to compare to a standard item, measured and it's the same length for sure. Will get some of the drivers side once I pull it off the car.

Haven't tapped off the ABS rings yet either, but I noticed my standard shaft has one fitted, seen other Cup's with them too, odd.

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Thanks for the images, the parts look good!

fixedgear · Sep 19, 2016

Chris_Beer said:
Just to say mine arrived the next day (overnight)

However I haven't touched the car to fit them yet, but I saw the replies and thought i'd chuck up a couple of photos.

Only have a spare passenger shaft to compare to a standard item, measured and it's the same length for sure. Will get some of the drivers side once I pull it off the car.

Haven't tapped off the ABS rings yet either, but I noticed my standard shaft has one fitted, seen other Cup's with them too, odd.

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Had a chance to get these fitted ?

Chris_Beer · Sep 19, 2016

punk_rallye said:
Had a chance to get these fitted ?

Basically, I went to fit them, but was greeted with fresh fluid covering the whole hub / wheel arch area, which then started a puddle on the floor from one of my H&R Coilovers.

Planned to strip it all down and send them off for refurbishment, but I've spent an absolute fortune on it this month already so it's being ignored now lol. Going to be atleast a month or so before I can comment

Akay · Sep 20, 2016

Isnt the clip on the 'dry' shaft side the bit that hits the engine block?

Chris_Beer · Sep 20, 2016

Akay said:
Isnt the clip on the 'dry' shaft side the bit that hits the engine block?

Unsure if these do or not, but the ones people complained about before, it was this clip....................................................................^

fixedgear · Sep 21, 2016

Just ordered a pair from the least enthusiast bloke I have ever had the fortune to speak to.

imprezaworks · Sep 21, 2016

Lol from j&r? I had that pleasure.

First time I rang a chap was spot on and the lady too.

fixedgear · Sep 21, 2016

imprezaworks said:
Lol from j&r? I had that pleasure.

First time I rang a chap was spot on and the lady too.

Yep.
Got a text saying they're on their way, so let's see what turns up!

imprezaworks · Sep 21, 2016

Be with you Tomo at a guess

Chris_Beer · Sep 21, 2016

I ordered at 1pm and arrived the next morning but the Alex bloke seemed very happy and helpful.

I love how I'm one of the first to order 172 cup wise recently but the last to fit

STEVE.M · Sep 26, 2016

@Chris_Beer @imprezaworks @midge @punk_rallye @bloke
The Shaftec application for 172 Cup is R209AR/AL as I have posted previously.
Looking on eBay,these shafts also fit Renault Megane 1.8,1.9,2.0L 96-03 & Scenic 1.8,1.9,2.0L 99-03.
I also found that Shaftec supply outer CV joint CV345AN for about £30,listed as Scenic.
This will presumably also fit Megane & 172/182,so if only your outer CV joint is toast,you do not to replace the whole shaft,which is a big advance on the close to £500 a pair for Renault shafts.
I have not put this into practise,so it is a very promising possibility at this moment.
I will check if my local Andrew Page has one in stock so I can compare shortly.

STEVE.M · Sep 26, 2016

Chris_Beer said:
I ordered at 1pm and arrived the next morning but the Alex bloke seemed very happy and helpful.

I love how I'm one of the first to order 172 cup wise recently but the last to fit 😧

I said it elsewhere,but the boot snagging problem with J&R does not apply to 172 Cup shaft without the RH support bearing.

bloke · Sep 26, 2016

gkn do the joint on it's own. not got part number to hand though sorry.

STEVE.M · Sep 26, 2016

bloke said:
gkn do the joint on it's own. not got part number to hand though sorry.

Thanks for that.CS folklore has been that only OE shafts are available.

bloke · Sep 26, 2016

they also do a shaft but had a bit of a mix up over the length and whether or not wider abs ring could be fitted for 182 cup so never got round to working it out if it could be done. was going to look into it again this week but the only guy at euro with a brain is in hospital.

STEVE.M · Sep 26, 2016

bloke said:
they also do a shaft but had a bit of a mix up over the length and whether or not wider abs ring could be fitted for 182 cup so never got round to working it out if it could be done. was going to look into it again this week but the only guy at euro with a brain is in hospital.

Having his brain removed?

bloke · Sep 26, 2016

heart attack from what i gather?

STEVE.M · Sep 26, 2016

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By they,did you mean GKN?
Correct me if I`m wrong,but 182 Cup RH shaft has a support bearing?The 172 Cup RH shaft does not.
J&R do 15mm ABS ring for £$2.50.

bloke · Sep 26, 2016

yup, gkn. when i checked the cv it didn't look like it was wide enough to take the wider abs ring but trying to get one sorted to physically try the wider ring on.

Gseco · Oct 28, 2016

STEVE.M said:
@Chris_Beer @imprezaworks @midge @punk_rallye @bloke
The Shaftec application for 172 Cup is R209AR/AL as I have posted previously.
Looking on eBay,these shafts also fit Renault Megane 1.8,1.9,2.0L 96-03 & Scenic 1.8,1.9,2.0L 99-03.
I also found that Shaftec supply outer CV joint CV345AN for about £30,listed as Scenic.
This will presumably also fit Megane & 172/182,so if only your outer CV joint is toast,you do not to replace the whole shaft,which is a big advance on the close to £500 a pair for Renault shafts.
I have not put this into practise,so it is a very promising possibility at this moment.
I will check if my local Andrew Page has one in stock so I can compare shortly.

HI guys,

I've recently developed a clicking noise from the cv joint when on full lock. Renault here in Ireland are looking for €350 for drive shafts.

I'm just wondering if anyone has fitted these shaftec driveshafts? If so, how have they been? I can get them for €150 here in Ireland

http://www.micksgarage.com/search/d...o mk ii 1998 to 2005/2.0 16v sport (cb0m)/169

Will these fit my car? I've a 172 cup. Thanks guys.

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