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Do you think its worth spending 1800 on a cam shaft upgrade by ktec racing down Dorset
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Cheers lads he said for 1800 he wud supply and fit 438 cams cam belt and kit aux belt and kit water pump and coolant plus a ktec induction kit and a remap before and after
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G13RNY
These clios go for nowt these days but I have 2 grand init already so I am thinking of makingit into a project
Don't fall into the trap of N/A tuning mate. Save up and go for a turbo conversion or charger. You only need another £1200 for a drive in drive out 230bhp turbo conversion.
Don't get me wrong, cams will make it more responsive and they do have their place but to have £1800 quid in your pocket other options are far far more desirable.
Don't get me wrong, cams will make it more responsive and they do have their place but to have £1800 quid in your pocket other options are far far more desirable.
Cub.
ClioSport Moderator
This.
Same here, i expected more
SharkyUK
ClioSport Club Member
What trap? There's nothing at all wrong with N/A tuning. Boost isn't for everyone.
Plus the map is far more likely to actually be good.
But its a lot of money for pretty modest gains, its still not going to be a fast car.
What trap? There's nothing at all wrong with N/A tuning. Boost isn't for everyone.
Agreed. If done with a full understanding of the fact you might spend 100% of the cars value to gain 10% in power.
What trap? There's nothing at all wrong with N/A tuning. Boost isn't for everyone.
Set of cams one minute, then its inlets, nice exhaust and before you know it you've spunked the cost of forced induction on 190 bhp (if your lucky) lol
Been there got the tee shirt.
SharkyUK
ClioSport Club Member
Fair point about the mod's - one is never enough - but I still maintain boost is not for everyone.
I'll have to get myself one of those t-shirts as I've fallen into the trap of spending thousands on a forged / high-comp N/A build when I should have done the 'proper' thing and gone boost. :rofl:When the 172/182s are turbo'd can the rev limiter be lifted as much as it can on the same n/a engine when its tuned? Or isnt there any point as it will run out of puff higher up the range?
Im asking this because ive had turbochrged cars for the past 5-6 years now and before this i wasnt really into tuning as much.
Im really liking the power delivery of the clio how its all top end and you have got to keep it over 5k, its so much more fun imo, but im thinking of when i decide to tune which route to take.
I know forced induction will be quicker but i dont want to loose the fun factor of all the power at the top end of the rev range
Im asking this because ive had turbochrged cars for the past 5-6 years now and before this i wasnt really into tuning as much.
Im really liking the power delivery of the clio how its all top end and you have got to keep it over 5k, its so much more fun imo, but im thinking of when i decide to tune which route to take.
I know forced induction will be quicker but i dont want to loose the fun factor of all the power at the top end of the rev range
KTM 990 SD / S60 D5
When the 172/182s are turbo'd can the rev limiter be lifted as much as it can on the same n/a engine when its tuned? Or isnt there any point as it will run out of puff higher up the range?
Im asking this because ive had turbochrged cars for the past 5-6 years now and before this i wasnt really into tuning as much.
Im really liking the power delivery of the clio how its all top end and you have got to keep it over 5k, its so much more fun imo, but im thinking of when i decide to tune which route to take.
I know forced induction will be quicker but i dont want to loose the fun factor of all the power at the top end of the rev range
You would love a supercharger then, same great power delivery, just much much quicker.
But whats it making at peak power and at what rpm is it making it?
As i said i know overall a turbo car will be quicker but i dont like the way they tail off in power and torque towards the end of the range, i like to drop it a gear and rev the ballax off it, its so much fun.
Could mapping or using a different turbo get you a graph that keeps rising in power and torque until the limiter or is that not possible? Or is supercharging one to think about if you want this type of power delivery but still with worth while gains?
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Beat me to it mate, this is what i was thinking, its very expensive but they do sound good too
KTM 990 SD / S60 D5
You will struggle to get a set up that will keep the torque raising to the red line, maybe with a massive turbo but it would be pretty rubbish on the road and not much would happen till about 4-5k revs. With a supercharger the bhp will peak pretty much at max revs.
KTM 990 SD / S60 D5
Back on topic, I have had cams and while they are good and make the car more fun to drive it will only be slightly quicker than a standard (mapped car), if you want fast then you need boost.
KTM 990 SD / S60 D5
This was my theory although, thanks alot for the reply mate
Where you from mate
Suffolk mate, bit far to take you for a spin lol
b*****d! lol.
182cup & 172 racecar
I'm a little disappointed by the fact that, some people actually believe or think that, having cams fitted, would suddenly make a car go so much 'faster'.
Driveability and power delivery you would notice. Search the subject first.
Tuners dream.
Driveability and power delivery you would notice. Search the subject first.
Tuners dream.
MicKPM
ClioSport Trader
Clio16v/Zoe Z.E.50
Eh, but surely you fit cams and its easy two-undred break innitz?
182cup & 172 racecar
Fair point about the mod's - one is never enough - but I still maintain boost is not for everyone.
LOL - Are you running throttle bodies as well or just cams and high comp forged bottom end?
Iv got a bottom end sitting waiting on high comps going in
Martin_172
ClioSport Club Member
im with most of the guys in here, save a bit more for forced induction.
if you are set on cams however, and they do give a nice gain in drivability and response, its just not for everyone spending that sort of money for that over pure horsepower. I would personally be considering one of the other guys, ive never personally had any work done by k-tec and ive used and only got good things to say about their mail order service, but im one of these guys who does a LOT of research and looks for experiances from people who have used a company before I spend my hard earned cash with them (that's why ill be using RS Tuning for my Twingos next map with bigger injectors), and theres just too much bad press and experience going about with K-Tecs mapping.
if you are set on cams however, and they do give a nice gain in drivability and response, its just not for everyone spending that sort of money for that over pure horsepower. I would personally be considering one of the other guys, ive never personally had any work done by k-tec and ive used and only got good things to say about their mail order service, but im one of these guys who does a LOT of research and looks for experiances from people who have used a company before I spend my hard earned cash with them (that's why ill be using RS Tuning for my Twingos next map with bigger injectors), and theres just too much bad press and experience going about with K-Tecs mapping.
SharkyUK
ClioSport Club Member
I'm running ITB's as well mate, although I've ditched the K-Tec DTH kit and gone for a Fred/BTM spec Jenvey setup (which I don't know the spec of myself yet!) LOL!LOL - Are you running throttle bodies as well or just cams and high comp forged bottom end?
Iv got a bottom end sitting waiting on high comps going in
Regarding my replies in this thread, I'm just playing Devil's advocate more than anything really. I've got nothing against boosted Clio's whatsoever (I was blown away when in Chip's turbo'd 172 recently - f'kin' awesome!) but I am simply one of the few who prefer the N/A way. Yeah, it's pi$$ing money away and you're never going to get anywhere near the figures the boost-crew get but I'm not after that personally.
I guess it ultimately comes down to whether or not you are after a decent hike in power. If not, spend the hefty lump of cash and get the cams, but be realistic that there's only going to be a very mild power increase; albeit with potentially improved response and drivability.So, a high-comp bottom end you say?! LOL! *thumbs up*
