Cheap 197?

[Timmsy]

Is this a bit cheap for a 197?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RENAULT-C...2021628?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item35cff22cfc

Doesnt seem to bad considering its had a replacement engine?

 

[Chip-mk1]

Looks a good deal to me considering the low mileage on the new engine etc.

They are coming down in price generally now anyway though.

 

[Timmsy]

They seem to have dropped quite a bit over the last couple of months, i found about 4 months ago you couldnt really pick up a decent one for under 5k?

 

[jon_r]

Remarkable value.

 

[Knuckles]

About right for an early car with 2 options

 

[lemonnobby]

Yeah there cheap now. I've seen a couple with problems at 4k

 

[Rich..]

I'd love something like that, but sure I could cope without all luxuries and extras I have in the Passat. Wish I could afford to run both

 

[Bux]

They seem to have dropped quite a bit over the last couple of months, i found about 4 months ago you couldnt really pick up a decent one for under 5k?

I sold my one in Sept 12 for £4500.

 

[Daniel]

I think it's about time I chopped the wifes fiesta in for a 197.

 

[Gally]

They are great value. They just come across as very expensive to run! Tax, insurance and Mpg is shocking.

Running costs of a much more higher grade car imo.

 

[Daniel]

They are great value. They just come across as very expensive to run! Tax, insurance and Mpg is shocking.

Running costs of a much more higher grade car imo.

Tax and insurance is by the by. Any 3 door 2.0 petrol car would be the same. MPG is a joke for the performance but unless you're doing 15k a year or more, it's largely irrelevant.

I appreciate what you say about a higher grade car, but there are very few standard cars that are as good on track as a 197/200, yet can happily accommodate 2 adults, two children, a buggy and some shopping.

 

[Chip-mk1]

They are great value. They just come across as very expensive to run! Tax, insurance and Mpg is shocking.

Running costs of a much more higher grade car imo.

Agreed if doing lots of miles.

However if doing lots of trackdays they are quite cheap to run, generally quite reliable, not too expensive to get bits for, not horrific on clutches or tyres etc.


That said, a 182 does both those things cheaper and just as well IMHO

 

[Knuckles]

^^ the gearboxes are prone to s**tting themselves! although I think that's the only real thing that frequently goes wrong

I think it's about time I chopped the wifes fiesta in for a 197.

Do you hate her that much?

 

[Timmsy]

If i could afford it i'd go for a 197 ... i do love my Ph1 but sometimes wish i could have a tad more luxury and comfort.. tax and insurance cant be much more than a 1*2 surely? insurance isnt that much for me but fuel costs could get a tad high as a daily drive

That said the ph1 could be at that level with a bit of work/restoration

 

[Mr Plums]

That is really cheap!

They will be dropping lower than the mk2's if they keep going.

Corsa vxrs seem to be holding their value better, and they depreciate faster than i can sat "A"

 

[Gally]

Fair points guys. I'd love an Albi Blue one. Amazing colour in the flesh.

The gearboxes also scare me as mentioned.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Fair points guys. I'd love an Albi Blue one. Amazing colour in the flesh.

The gearboxes also scare me as mentioned.

I keep nearly buying one as I do really like them, then remembering that to do so really we'd have to get rid of the 182, and the 182 is as good or better by almost every metric that really matters to me, and "odds of a big gearbox bill" is one of those metrics, lol.

 

[Knuckles]

If i could afford it i'd go for a 197 ... i do love my Ph1 but sometimes wish i could have a tad more luxury and comfort.. tax and insurance cant be much more than a 1*2 surely? insurance isnt that much for me but fuel costs could get a tad high as a daily drive

That said the ph1 could be at that level with a bit of work/restoration

Tax is the same iirc £250/260, 197s were the cheapest for me to insure across the RS clio range, it's just mpg that let's them down. £30 per week for 150 miles

 

[Daniel]

Tax is the same iirc £250/260, 197s were the cheapest for me to insure across the RS clio range, it's just mpg that let's them down. £30 per week for 150 miles

I dream of that kind of consumption! lol

 

[Knuckles]

That is really cheap!

They will be dropping lower than the mk2's if they keep going.

Corsa vxrs seem to be holding their value better, and they depreciate faster than i can sat "A"

Well specced ones are holding their value better. It's just the 06 plates with little to no options that are dropping into mouth breather territory

 

[Knuckles]

I dream of that kind of consumption! lol

What are you pootling round in at the moment? The impreza?

 

[Mr Plums]

Well specced ones are holding their value better. It's just the 06 plates with little to no options that are dropping into mouth breather territory

Haha i love that saying

 

[Daniel]

What are you pootling round in at the moment? The impreza?

Yes mate. Keep saying i'm going to sell it, but then I get on a motorway slip road, give it some toe pie and piss myself laughing! lol

 

[Knuckles]

Yes mate. Keep saying i'm going to sell it, but then I get on a motorway slip road, give it some toe pie and piss myself laughing! lol

Out of interest, what are the running costs of an impreza? Mpg, fuel per mileage you're doing, services, tyres etc. Pm me if you don't want to spam the thread

 

[Daniel]

Out of interest, what are the running costs of an impreza? Mpg, fuel per mileage you're doing, services, tyres etc. Pm me if you don't want to spam the thread

I don't mind spamming. The mods are wrapping the dildos up for their girlfriends xmas presents.

mpg for mine is very little. 20mpg I suppose? But then it's not standard. Standard ones I've read achieve 25-30mpg driven like a nun. on a recent (fast!) trip to reading I managed to do £60 of fuel in 160 miles.

Tax and servicing is the same as any other 2.0 petrol car. Cambelts aren't as expensive as a clio, but spark plugs are a complete prick to do.

Tyres (again mine are 18 so not standard) but for V12 evo's I paid £95 a corner fitted.

Fuel is the only thing that makes them expensive to run imo. I can't comment on insurance as I haven't insured a car since about 2001.

 

[Mr Plums]

I can't comment on insurance as I haven't insured a car since about 2001.

Insurance is usually pretty decent for old people on these tbh.

 

[lemonnobby]

i need you to get me tyres.
20 mpg ive seen some 197 on 22-23.

 

[Gally]

I keep nearly buying one as I do really like them, then remembering that to do so really we'd have to get rid of the 182, and the 182 is as good or better by almost every metric that really matters to me, and "odds of a big gearbox bill" is one of those metrics, lol.

Cost wise you'd be mad to swap a 182 for track to a 197. Great if you're using it daily though. Consumables though... £££

 

[Chip-mk1]

Cost wise you'd be mad to swap a 182 for track to a 197. Great if you're using it daily though. Consumables though... £££

At the moment we kind of split cars into:
Track
Both
Daily

The 182 is a "both" car. So it would be in that context it would be in competition for a space on the drive if I got a 197

 

[Knuckles]

I don't mind spamming. The mods are wrapping the dildos up for their girlfriends xmas presents.

mpg for mine is very little. 20mpg I suppose? But then it's not standard. Standard ones I've read achieve 25-30mpg driven like a nun. on a recent (fast!) trip to reading I managed to do £60 of fuel in 160 miles.

Tax and servicing is the same as any other 2.0 petrol car. Cambelts aren't as expensive as a clio, but spark plugs are a complete prick to do.

Tyres (again mine are 18 so not standard) but for V12 evo's I paid £95 a corner fitted.

Fuel is the only thing that makes them expensive to run imo. I can't comment on insurance as I haven't insured a car since about 2001.

I wish I hadn't asked

a standard impreza is the is the same as mine to run with more fasts

4wd + turbo for me is circa £1k insurance, not ideal, but not the end of the world.


...then again a fwd + turbo is circa £700, so I recon a focus or meg will be my next upgrade

 

[Daniel]

Standard imprezas aren't that great imo.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Standard imprezas aren't that great imo.

No, although in the context of a discussion on what to get I would always assume anyone getting one interested in performance would at the very least get it remapped (if they happen to find one that hasnt been) which does make a significant difference and not cost much.

 

[Daniel]

Yeah I was just trying to compare standard to standard. An R26, whilst more expensive initially, will have more power, be lighter, infinitely better brakes etc etc.

 

[Knuckles]

Yeah I was just trying to compare standard to standard. An R26, whilst more expensive initially, will have more power, be lighter, infinitely better brakes etc etc.

Are you saying r26 > impreza?

 

[Daniel]

Are you saying r26 > impreza?

If your plan is to stay standard, yes.

If you plan on buying a modified one, or modifying yourself, then impreza everytime. If you're ever in/near bristol, feel free to pop by and take it out. You'll be converted! lol

 

[Chip-mk1]

If your plan is to stay standard, yes.

If you plan on buying a modified one, or modifying yourself, then impreza everytime. If you're ever in/near bristol, feel free to pop by and take it out. You'll be converted! lol

I cant see many people on a car forum being obsessed with keeping a trackday or fast road car standard in terms of the map, even if you are into concours you cant see its been mapped, lol.

 

[Daniel]

Some people worry about insurance etc though.

 

[Knuckles]

If your plan is to stay standard, yes.

If you plan on buying a modified one, or modifying yourself, then impreza everytime. If you're ever in/near bristol, feel free to pop by and take it out. You'll be converted! lol

Cheers, but I don't know if I should lol, I'd probably be sold haha.

tbh, if I went forced induction, it'd be rude not to at least map it wouldn't it






... God damn it Daniel

 

[lemonnobby]

If your plan is to stay standard, yes.

If you plan on buying a modified one, or modifying yourself, then impreza everytime. If you're ever in/near bristol, feel free to pop by and take it out. You'll be converted! lol

hi where do i come.

 

[Mr Plums]

Standard imprezas are pretty heavy for their power output imo, they arnt much quicker in a straight line, or if at all than a 1*2 ime.