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ITB'd MK1
better is subjective. Depends what you want. The F7R (2 litre) makes more power, but doesn't rev as high. lots and lot can be done to both.
www.clio16valver.co.uk
www.clio16valver.co.uk
ITB'd MK1
Williams then. Although they cost a lot more to buy. plenty of hybrid valvers about which are better value
ITB'd MK1
What engine is yours now? I like valvers personally, though EVERYONE will say fit a 2 litre to it. They're a shade under powered by modern standards, but still good fun
id say 2.0 evry time tbh. whether in valver or if you go for full fun package n go for the willy 
in terms of speed, diff class tbh. loads more torque throughout the rev range with the williams, doesnt rev as high as std as the 1800, but then you dont really need it to, if its std, and the limiter can always be moved up the range with a cheap chip.
williams has wider track, heavier duty roll bars, torsion bars etc, so does handle that bit better as std. add coilies etc and the margin just keeps growing. if u see a valver thats had the wide track etc already fitted....then go for it, as you would probs want to upgrade to this in the future.
as above, williams is quite a bit more to insure. but so much more fun out the box, and quicker to boot
choice is all yours really, with these cars its swings and roundabouts, a clean valver with 2.0 lump and widetrack will cost about the same to buy as a decent williams. so in that respect theres not much in it. but..........the williams will hold its value for far longer than the valver.
personally id go for the williams every time, i dont like getting rained on from the shite sunroofs, i dont like my roof buckling after a heavy session thru the corners. thats also why id never ever have a willy 3. u might as well just get a hybrid valver as a willy 3 tbh.
in terms of speed, diff class tbh. loads more torque throughout the rev range with the williams, doesnt rev as high as std as the 1800, but then you dont really need it to, if its std, and the limiter can always be moved up the range with a cheap chip.
williams has wider track, heavier duty roll bars, torsion bars etc, so does handle that bit better as std. add coilies etc and the margin just keeps growing. if u see a valver thats had the wide track etc already fitted....then go for it, as you would probs want to upgrade to this in the future.
as above, williams is quite a bit more to insure. but so much more fun out the box, and quicker to boot
choice is all yours really, with these cars its swings and roundabouts, a clean valver with 2.0 lump and widetrack will cost about the same to buy as a decent williams. so in that respect theres not much in it. but..........the williams will hold its value for far longer than the valver.
personally id go for the williams every time, i dont like getting rained on from the shite sunroofs, i dont like my roof buckling after a heavy session thru the corners. thats also why id never ever have a willy 3. u might as well just get a hybrid valver as a willy 3 tbh.
ITB'd MK1
that's the most common way, yes. going from a 1.2, you'll love the power of a 1.8, so i dont think it's such an issue
Chat to me whenever mate I've owned Valver's and Williams's but you'll struggle to get insurance on a Williams as its a group 17.
I've got a 172 engined and tracked Valver as a trackday toy and a standard 16v with full leather interior, narrowtrack etc for a daily driver. Theyre both good fun in their own way.
Assuming you get a half decent one, a 16v will still be a massive giggle coming from a 1.2
Assuming you get a half decent one, a 16v will still be a massive giggle coming from a 1.2
Dynamique Flamer
I would go for the 1.8 mate that's going to be alot more powerful coming from a 1.2. A lot of people go out and buy stupidly fast cars and bin them at the first corner. 1.8 should aslo be cheaper to insure, assuming your INS would cost about the same as mine, it's not cheap.
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Valver first, get used to the power and then 2.0 it
not everyone has had them for 14 years and can't let go though
when i find a better car to fulfill my needs i may be tempted to let go.
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If you are young and dont earn a lot id get an RSI personally.
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that' a valid idea. loved driving standard RSIs and love my "tweaked" one now
Chav Rocket
yes having just finished my hybrid - with full willy running gear i can say its not cheap. you can probably get the track conversion for fairly cheap but then you will want to buy new bushes, replace bolts etc etc and it does all definteley(sp) add up
valvers are fun just dont sit in a williams and get big ideas!
as far as insurance is concerned i am with brentacre and initially insured as a valver then i declared my engine swap and mods like coilies, alloys, induction kit etc etc and it was no extra charge.
williams if you want a collectors item if not just get a valver.
valvers are fun just dont sit in a williams and get big ideas!
as far as insurance is concerned i am with brentacre and initially insured as a valver then i declared my engine swap and mods like coilies, alloys, induction kit etc etc and it was no extra charge.
williams if you want a collectors item if not just get a valver.
Got to love brentacre
16v_paddy
ClioSport Club Member
Valvers & 172 Cup
I have to concede that the williams is the better car to begin with but I imagine it's gonna come down to insurance cost for you, same as it did for me.
When I got my valver I was quoted at £1300 to insure and a williams was £2650 so bit of a no brainer
When I got my valver I was quoted at £1300 to insure and a williams was £2650 so bit of a no brainer
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And the 1.8 is ultimately more tunable.
Erm, there is alot. Handaling is alot better in the Williams. Pulls better. However if it's a cost saving excercise you may be hard pushed to notice a couple of k difference. I'd say Williams' are for the real enthusiasts'. If you're thinking do I don't I, probably go with a valver.
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