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Be patient, save up for a 172! Thats what im going to do. Id just do the basics, a nice exhaust and filter etc
Replacing the engine is such an insurance nightmare, and theres so much more than just the engine, then theres the labour costs..ahhh!
Though if you are desperate for an engine swap id keep it in the family and get the williams engine
The 1.4 8v pushrod turbo engine used in the 5 turbo is a very good engine. Granted it is based on a very old design, but looked after and modified properly it is a very reliable motor. They have one of the best bottom ends Ive worked with. The major worry about these engine is the label they have got for blowing head gaskets. The reason for this is simple...... Poor maintainance by their owners who dont know how to look after a car and think that you can just turn the boost up and everything will be fine.!
Take any turbo can and turn the boost up without any other mods and it will go bang too.!
Just look at the old Turbo 2 (mid-engine). That ran 160bhp in standard trim and is also a 1.4 pushrod 8v engine. In rally trim it poked out over 400bhp. So far this year I have seen a modified 5 turbo hit 357bhp.
I think some of you with older 1.4 Clios will also find your engines are also pushrod.!
My point is, any engine will go bang if its not looked after if it has a turbo or not.
Im sure you have all seen the posts on here of peoples 172s not even lasting a few thousand miles.!
Rob, and the reason those 6 GTT owners engine went bang would probably be down to poor maintainance. Maybe not by the people that owned them when they did go bang, but possibly by previous owners.
Ive seen 5s with the thermostat removed to cover up overheating problems. This just makes the problem worse. I could come out with hundreds of horror stories of how people treat their cars and then wander why they have blown up.!
Theres always going to be new cars which go wrong, those 172 owners didnt do anything wrong, it was just renault being renault.
Like myself, and you, all my mates treated their cars like a god, and all started on unmodified cars, youd have to be stupid to buy a modifed one!
I dont think you should have to be a qualified mechanic to look after your car, whereas it seems you have to be with the old 5 Turbo. People expect (and should expect) to be able to do the general jobs like topping up oil and looking after their tyres etc and thats it, i think you have a soft spot for the 5 and are just giving it an excuse!!lol
Overall, the 5 was a great handling car, but, they had weak clutches, and all engine parts usually all went in quick succession. Now im sure that doesnt happen in a mk2 golf for example, even a mk1, which i both believe are better cars.
haha, you just dont understand that hig tec doesnt mean its better.
people are still using teh old Kent crossflow to power caterhams and westies up to 180bhp....they are over 60 yrs old in desigh and initially came out with about 50bhp.....
they are one of my fave engines, and are also pushrod, which just makes swaping the head easier, using high ration roller rockers to increase ramp and increase lift.
The GTT enigne is quite indestructable when looked after, and all your mates having theirs blow is just an example of poor maintanence. again, modding and using bolt on goddies. a sure recepie for a broken 5. Their handling is unique, not fantastic.
and i think you not understanding the engine is your excuse for slating it. its better than the one you got now.
oh, and 45bhp with no turbo.....possibly the missing turbo and low CR would add up.....
K-Tec said that they would do the conversion. I cannot see anything wrong with using a GTT engine as before it went into the Clio it could be completely re-built with new bottom end gaskets etc, and the head could be sorted out as well, also the Clio engine bay is larger and so larger cooling equipment could be fitted therefore helping with the biggest problems of a 5 turbo HEAT!! I think I will do it to mine soon dependant on how long the existing engine lasts! Go for it mate you would not be dissapointed and 150+bhp is easily done without risking reliability.
Marcus
Fitting an exhaust doesnt effect the cars reliability..dump valves also help out from what i know. A 1.4 turbo is one of your favourite engines ?
My 1.2 isnt a bad engine, it has 75bhp, the same as many equivalent 1.4s. Anyway, thats beside the point, im not claiming it to be a fantastic engine.Hi-tech is better..i dont see how you can think otherwise, its not all about performance, its also economy and driveability. Things progress over time, they dont get worse.
Your also making presumptions that my friends looked after their cars poorly. They didnt, i know, you dont, simple.
not one of my fave, the Kent is one of my fave.........but i would rather work with the GTT lump, and all i said was that its better than your 1.2.
and no, fittin and exhahust will not cause harm.....UNLESS its fitted badly and blowing, back pressure on a turbo is not theoretically needed, to take advantages of larger pressure differentials. BUT a tiny bit is needed to preserve the turbo as oil seals can leak and possibly fail altogether.
And as for high tech, most of the popular highly tunned engines are not very high tech...namely the crossflow, pinto, XE, Zetec, K series, A series, cosworths......all very basic engines.
a good engine should be the best power/$ ratio, rather than teh msot expensive and new design. The new F4R is a good engine, but not seeing much attention from tunners.
and what about the mechinical complexity of modern lumps, the harder its getting to tune them, if you want drivability, then a short duration 3.2ltr V6 is for you, oh but economy.....how about a 1ltr micra.......
Fact is, the GTT is a good engine.....which is why people dont change them for other engines....to get the same proportional increase in power, say 20%..how much would it cost on teh GTT lump and how much on yours.....
The 1.4 GTT is an excellent engine and BenR is true in his comments, there is many horror stories about 5 engines but problems are more often than not caused by dodgy modifications, also as I said before the heat issue is a problem and if not watched carefully can cause many problems, also it is not the engine that is the problem it is the other bits, such as the rad etc. Also 5s are not that hard to work on it is just a case of having a bit more time and patience than if you were working on your clio engine.
Ph1 172
I got mine done thru Torsion Tuning, and ben is correct in saying it cost £1,500 for the conversion if u have a donor car, and depending on the condition of the engine. the only reason for the cost going up is if u have the engine rebuilt with extras like silicon hosing, low temp fan switches, dumpvalves etc.
im well impressed with mine and im still running it in! cant wait to open her up properly! i would recommend it, if u have to money 2 do it. i saved 4 ages 2 get mine done! best bet would be to ring TT and ask them to give u a quote on wot u exactly want and wot ur budget is.
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