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kit car sounds nice but i need 2 be able 2 use it 2 nip down the shops etc and kit cars ain't much use in that respect, and a clio cup car would be nice but a sequential is a #*$! on the road and always need rebuilding and i ain't got that amount of time or expertise the ph1 is starting to...

any reasons why? or is it just a personal preferance

i may be in touch soon then matey as soon as i've sold my civic and found a cup

can you get a cup in the phs1 172, coz i've just had a quick look on autotrader and only found the 172 with triangular headlights

cheers dave, sounds like sound advice, i think a cup is defo the choice for me, although in time may need a little engine tuning but i think that would come after handling and braking so... has anyone got a cup for sale? lol

they do sell them, prob best ringing them

they do sell all that stuff but ur prob best ringing them coz the website looks a little bit iffy. i usually just go into the shop, but if u ring them they should sort you out.

there is a place near me that does them, http://www.ears.co.uk/

insurance isn't really a problem, i hate ABS, and all the other computer crap they put in cars these days. i think the cup sounds better though coz of the lack of driver aids and air con

a nice set of slicks is already a definate, just forgot 2 put it on my original list and brakes is obvious on a track car, but i wanted some engine advice as i don't really know much about them

does air con add much weight and is it a ball ache 2 remove if it does? never had air con before and don't really see the need, as long as ur window goes down :D and the seats would get pulled out in exchange 4 some buckets and if it's cheaper for a cup that also sounds good,

yeah, but i quite like what S22 said about the ff havin shorter gears and when i strip it out it'll be lighter than the cup, and i think the cups r more expensive.

mini is a bit camp, lol (no offense to anyone that owns one, that's just my personal opinion) i'm deffinately gettin persuaded 2 get 1. do u guys go on many track days? (sorry 4 goin a bit off topic)

i'm not fussed about creature comforts, road worthy 2 me means i don't have 2 take it 2 the track on a trailer. as long as it's not massively slower than my CTR but i primarily i want something smaller lighter to throw around a track. the civic handles but it doesn't quite feel like a go kart...

not too sure on the differences, apart from it being lighter but i'm planning on lightening everything anyway. carbon door cards etc so is the extra money 4 the cup worth it?

i'd get a custom manifold made, i might have 2 get some more details off you when i've got the car about where to go. what is your opinion on fse boost valves? how many ponies do you think we'd be sittin on then coz my CTR is running about 220 bhp and i don't wanna be going backwards, and i...

i've currently got a civic type r, but i'm planning on trading it in for a ph1 172 to turn into a track car (but still usable on the road) so far i've had a snoop round k-tec website and have got my shopping list: bilstein suspension (shocks etc) strut braces full cage buckets no interior...

definately gray if those are the only options, what does white look like???