Permagard

[chiefsilverback]

If you want your car to look better than new without having to spend hours cleaning it every week have a chat with the guys at Permagard.

I had No. 099 done last week and it looks spectacular and when it's covered in muck and grime it needs 10 minutes with a bucket of cold water to bring it back to it's water beading, deep gloss shine best!

 

[Alan]

Price matey?

 

[chiefsilverback]

Price matey?

With the touch up work and glass treatment it came to £220!

Then you have an annual service to keep the warranty etc... valid, although the guys will tell you that they've got cars that were treated once 4 years ago and they still wash up nice and shiney!

 

[Daniel]

If you want your car to look better than new without having to spend hours cleaning it every week have a chat with the guys at Permagard.

I had No. 099 done last week and it looks spectacular and when it's covered in muck and grime it needs 10 minutes with a bucket of cold water to bring it back to it's water beading, deep gloss shine best!

Work for them??:quiet:

 

[chiefsilverback]

If you want your car to look better than new without having to spend hours cleaning it every week have a chat with the guys at Permagard.

I had No. 099 done last week and it looks spectacular and when it's covered in muck and grime it needs 10 minutes with a bucket of cold water to bring it back to it's water beading, deep gloss shine best!

Work for them??:quiet:

Nope! I just like to spread the word about a good product!

 

[Alan]

Shame they are so far away!

 

[Anonymous]

Check with your local Valeters Alan,

I offer Permaguard, Supaguard and Diamond Brite for a lot less then what CSB paid

 

[Rich]

Shame they are so far away!

You could never go through with it!

 

[alexbleubolt]

aint this the same as a bucket of demon shine ? i swear by the stuff, its great

 

[chiefsilverback]

Check with your local Valeters Alan,

I offer Permaguard, Supaguard and Diamond Brite for a lot less then what CSB paid

Permagard is only available from Permagard in Docklands or their 4 franchises:

Cardiff & West Valleys
Manchester North
Manchester South
North Wales & Chester

http://www.permagard.info/where_to_get_permagard.htm

 

[chiefsilverback]

aint this the same as a bucket of demon shine ? i swear by the stuff, its great

Anybody who's had the Permagard treatment absolutely swears by it! No matter how filthy your car about 15mins with a sponge, a hose and a bucket of cold water will have it back to a deep gloss, silky smooth shine!

I've been using Zymol for 18 months and although I really enjoy cleaning my car I just don't have the time and if you're using Zymol then the product cost + the hours required far exceeds the cost of Permagard!

 

[GinandGasoline]

aint this the same as a bucket of demon shine ? i swear by the stuff, its great

Anybody who's had the Permagard treatment absolutely swears by it! No matter how filthy your car about 15mins with a sponge, a hose and a bucket of cold water will have it back to a deep gloss, silky smooth shine!

I've been using Zymol for 18 months and although I really enjoy cleaning my car I just don't have the time and if you're using Zymol then the product cost + the hours required far exceeds the cost of Permagard!

i'll back you up on this one, very happy with mine.... as previous piccies i've posted show

 

[Anonymous]

Check with your local Valeters Alan,

I offer Permaguard, Supaguard and Diamond Brite for a lot less then what CSB paid

Permagard is only available from Permagard in Docklands or their 4 franchises:

Cardiff & West Valleys
Manchester North
Manchester South
North Wales & Chester

http://www.permagard.info/where_to_get_permagard.htm

And? That means jack in this day and age mate

 

[Leeshez]

I spent ages last Tuesday cleaning my car and now it looks a right mess. Well it did ater the first day lol. I might save up and ry this stuff

 

[alexbleubolt]

have you tried the demon shine, its really really really good, ans so easy to use. its better than waxing i recon. havn't tried the clay thing yet, but for a quick fix the demon shine is well good

 

[Alan]

Check with your local Valeters Alan,

I offer Permaguard, Supaguard and Diamond Brite for a lot less then what CSB paid

Yeah will do matey....

Tho as Rich says i prob couldn't go through with it...i do enjoy doing it all mysel...

 

[chiefsilverback]

Permagard is only available from Permagard in Docklands or their 4 franchises:

Cardiff & West Valleys
Manchester North
Manchester South
North Wales & Chester

http://www.permagard.info/where_to_get_permagard.htm

And? That means jack in this day and age mate

So you're telling me you offer genuine Permagard at considerably less than the only people in the country licensed to sell the Permagard system?

I may have to give the guys at Permagard a call and find out why they overcharged me.....

 

[Anonymous]

And? That means jack in this day and age mate

So you're telling me you offer genuine Permagard at considerably less than the only people in the country licensed to sell the Permagard system?

I may have to give the guys at Permagard a call and find out why they overcharged me.....

Who says I buy it from this country? Who says my best mate does not work at a car showroom? Who says I dont pay some chav doing his YTS training to half inch it for me? Who says I didnt buy it off of ebay?......you get my drift?

Its the same as Zymol, you have to be a Zymol authorised retailer or valeter to be able to sell it, but mine does not come from an authorised Zymol outlet

I charge £130 for the complete interior and exterior package

Anyway, I dont blame you Alan, alot of customers start to complain that it's beading properties are shite after a few months and ask me to wax it for them anyway.

Cant beat the good old fashioned sunday morning cleaning session when its so cold you cant feel your fingers lol

 

[Cue]

So you're telling me you offer genuine Permagard at considerably less than the only people in the country licensed to sell the Permagard system?

I may have to give the guys at Permagard a call and find out why they overcharged me.....

Who says I buy it from this country? Who says my best mate does not work at a car showroom? Who says I dont pay some chav doing his YTS training to half inch it for me? Who says I didnt buy it off of ebay?......you get my drift?

Its the same as Zymol, you have to be a Zymol authorised retailer or valeter to be able to sell it, but mine does not come from an authorised Zymol outlet

I charge £130 for the complete interior and exterior package

Anyway, I dont blame you Alan, alot of customers start to complain that it's beading properties are s**te after a few months and ask me to wax it for them anyway.

Cant beat the good old fashioned sunday morning cleaning session when its so cold you cant feel your fingers lol

you clearly are not doing permagard. It's a unique product that's is different to Supagard, the only other polymer based product in the automotive industry.

Zymol etc are wax based!!!

If you're so sure its permagard - do you offer the same guarentee, cert's and insurance benefits that the franchises offer?

If so why are you cheaper, do you spend less time working on the car, if so that's a quality thing. Or is it that you value your time as less than other specialist valleters? if so why, are you not worth more?

I've not come across one person who has not given permagard 10/10. No other detailing product can boast that. I doubt any other can boast the passionate support that it's customers display - what does that say about the product? It works and its fecking good value.

If you're not a franchised dealer i doubt the first 3 questions i posed to you will even register answers.

 

[Cue]

i'll just add that i'm not questioning if you have the product, it's the use and aftermarket service that set's the franchisers apart imo

 

[Anonymous]

Who says I buy it from this country? Who says my best mate does not work at a car showroom? Who says I dont pay some chav doing his YTS training to half inch it for me? Who says I didnt buy it off of ebay?......you get my drift?

Its the same as Zymol, you have to be a Zymol authorised retailer or valeter to be able to sell it, but mine does not come from an authorised Zymol outlet

I charge £130 for the complete interior and exterior package

Anyway, I dont blame you Alan, alot of customers start to complain that it's beading properties are s**te after a few months and ask me to wax it for them anyway.

Cant beat the good old fashioned sunday morning cleaning session when its so cold you cant feel your fingers lol

you clearly are not doing permagard. It's a unique product that's is different to Supagard, the only other polymer based product in the automotive industry.

So you know my business and what products I do and dont offer better then myself do you?

Zymol etc are wax based!!!

Thats not what I was saying, you still need to be authorised to sell Zymol.....just because I dont charge £4k for a wash/wax like Paul Dalton (Miracle Detail) does that mean I cannot become authorised?

If you're so sure its permagard - do you offer the same guarentee, cert's and insurance benefits that the franchises offer?

How can I offer those when I am not authorised to do so? Why are my prices cheaper?
But yes I do offer a 6 monthly inspection and top up as required...........at circa 50% discount what do you expect?

If so why are you cheaper, do you spend less time working on the car, if so that's a quality thing. Or is it that you value your time as less than other specialist valleters? if so why, are you not worth more?

I spend approx 8 hours on a clients car (how long do authorised franchises take?)
For your 2nd question please can I refer you to this conversation I am having with Shooter? http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=181853
Do you run your own business? With my prices being considerably less then a dealer I am likely to get twice as much business and the customer is twice as happy.
How much do showrooms charge for Supaguard? Why can I buy the complete kit for £25?

I've not come across one person who has not given permagard 10/10. No other detailing product can boast that. I doubt any other can boast the passionate support that it's customers display - what does that say about the product? It works and its fecking good value.

Have you been on the Porsche forums, piston heads, Rarri forums and seen what people have had to say about it? May I suggest you try to google Permagard

If you're not a franchised dealer i doubt the first 3 questions i posed to you will even register answers.

I am more then happy to answer any other questions you have with regards to any of the products that I offer

I'd be gutted if I wasted over £200 notes on the treatment too:rasp:

 

[Cue]

glad you came back with a responce, yes i run my own business, 3 of them in fact and they all have the culture of the best quality over cost.

Supergard is pants - being a professional valleter you'll know that though. I paid £130 without the glass treatment for permagard from Graham in Stockport. His customer service is faultless and so I'm happy to continue to use him.

Im not comparing you to him when i say this at all, as i don't know you or your background. I can only speak about what i know; Graham has over 25 years car detailing experience yet he had 2 weeks specific training to get the permagard licence.

There are only 4 franchised dealers in the UK, NOT because only 4 places want to do it but because ONLY 4 have qualified to do it!

Speaking to Mike in London last year when he was just starting up in the UK he aid he had been inundated by companies wanting to buy a franchise, but until they have been quality checked, trained and authorised, he won't grant them the franchise.

Having seen the work, first hand and experienced the results for the past 8 months now I can honestly say that £130, even £200 would be justified for the Permagard treatment.

I had my M3 treated by a Zymol franchise and i'd say the result were impressive but i'd choose permagard everytime.

Regarding Supagard - I had one of the fleet cars tested with it as we were considering getting them all done and a month after if was done it needed re-doing. Stay clear of Supagard was the message there.

Permagard though as I stated is still lasting well after 8 months on the Trophy and so they'll be getting a call in the new year to get a bit more business.

Where r u based?

 

[Cue]

ignore the last question - cambs, i just read the other post.

 

[chiefsilverback]

you clearly are not doing permagard. It's a unique product that's is different to Supagard, the only other polymer based product in the automotive industry.

So you know my business and what products I do and dont offer better then myself do you?

Zymol etc are wax based!!!

Thats not what I was saying, you still need to be authorised to sell Zymol.....just because I dont charge £4k for a wash/wax like Paul Dalton (Miracle Detail) does that mean I cannot become authorised?

If you're so sure its permagard - do you offer the same guarentee, cert's and insurance benefits that the franchises offer?

How can I offer those when I am not authorised to do so? Why are my prices cheaper?
But yes I do offer a 6 monthly inspection and top up as required...........at circa 50% discount what do you expect?

If so why are you cheaper, do you spend less time working on the car, if so that's a quality thing. Or is it that you value your time as less than other specialist valleters? if so why, are you not worth more?

I spend approx 8 hours on a clients car (how long do authorised franchises take?)
For your 2nd question please can I refer you to this conversation I am having with Shooter? http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=181853
Do you run your own business? With my prices being considerably less then a dealer I am likely to get twice as much business and the customer is twice as happy.
How much do showrooms charge for Supaguard? Why can I buy the complete kit for £25?

I've not come across one person who has not given permagard 10/10. No other detailing product can boast that. I doubt any other can boast the passionate support that it's customers display - what does that say about the product? It works and its fecking good value.

Have you been on the Porsche forums, piston heads, Rarri forums and seen what people have had to say about it? May I suggest you try to google Permagard

If you're not a franchised dealer i doubt the first 3 questions i posed to you will even register answers.

I am more then happy to answer any other questions you have with regards to any of the products that I offer

I'd be gutted if I wasted over £200 notes on the treatment too:rasp:

Genuine Permagard is produced in numbered kits and given that the international operation is run by a group of close friends I can't imagine they are doing themselves out of business!?!?!

I don't know what product you are offering but whereas DiamondBrite/Supagaurd are available on ebay Permagard isn't (I've checked on .com, .co.uk, .fr and .com.au).

I have no affiliation to the company other than as a satisfied customer and I don't like to see other people's hard work undone! They have ploughed their lives into Permagard and they absolutely believe in the product, as do their official franchisees and customers.

 

[Rich]

Does anyone know how Permagard differs from Supagaurd, Diamondbrite and Autoglym Lifeshine?

The prices charged for Permagard are probably worth while if they do a decent machine polish before hand, worth having it done just for the paint correction, I take it they get the paintwork flawless amd swirl free before application? How long does it take?

What does the top up a year later involve? Unlike others mentioned above how do the market Permagard, as a life time sealant or just a long lasting one?

 

[Cue]

following your advice terrorist: google seach results - here's a sample about permagard:

http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/14062006/45/permagard-car-free-london-motor-show-0.html

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evolongtermtests/59522/ferrari_550.html

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=388973


in my experience the ones that knock it haven't had it done, they are commenting on it having either only heard about it or used supagard which is vastly inferior.

As the guy in the last one states, after a few months it may stop it having the glass like effect but it still resembles a high quality wax finish - until you've seen the results first hand you cannot comprehend how good the finish is.

Mine still looks polished now afer 8 months - even Zymol would struggle with that and it cost 1000's not 100's!!

 

[chiefsilverback]

Does anyone know how Permagard differs from Supagaurd, Diamondbrite and Autoglym Lifeshine?

The prices charged for Permagard are probably worth while if they do a decent machine polish before hand, worth having it done just for the paint correction, I take it they get the paintwork flawless amd swirl free before application? How long does it take?

What does the top up a year later involve? Unlike others mentioned above how do the market Permagard, as a life time sealant or just a long lasting one?

Take a look at their site: www.permagard.info

There's is an initial treatment with an annual service/top up to keep their warranty valid. They provide an after care kit for cleaning the paintwork and removing any 'burnt in' marks (bird muck etc...). I went for the glass treatment and they provide a top up kit and a burnishing gel incase the screen gets particularly filthy.

The site details what the product is/how it works, but the general consensus from most people that have had the full treatment is that it's worth every penny!

They dont' machine polish though! They argue that polishing is just scratching the paintwork (technically true) and their treatment fills scratches etc...

If you really want to know about it then call them. The guys are very friendly and will happily explain what they do and why they do it.

 

[Rich]

Reading those links in Cues post make me even more skepitcal about it, "all my swirl marks are 97% gone, next time the guy says they should be 100% gone but .... "It takes at least four hours to apply Permagard, starting with a water-based de-oxidising agent before the secret P5000 Polymer treatment can be applied. Unlike conventional wax-based treatments there is no T-Cutting to remove oxidisation so all the original paint remains" so without any cut how does it remove swirls?

For me it up its ideal if all you want to do over a year is wash your car, the money you pay each year is worth it just for a pro detail. I would be let down if they are just selaing i swirls.

No point comparing this stuff to Zymol beacuse reading on Paul Daltons web site he will tell you Zymol will last 1 to 3 years which is utter bull.

Edit - so they fill and hide defects then.

 

[Cue]

Does anyone know how Permagard differs from Supagaurd, Diamondbrite and Autoglym Lifeshine?

The prices charged for Permagard are probably worth while if they do a decent machine polish before hand, worth having it done just for the paint correction, I take it they get the paintwork flawless amd swirl free before application? How long does it take?

What does the top up a year later involve? Unlike others mentioned above how do the market Permagard, as a life time sealant or just a long lasting one?

Without getting into very techinical details about the chemical make up of the product, its basically easier to compare Supagaurd to Permagard as they are based around the same process of using polymers instead of organic waxes as the base.

Dimondbrite and Autglym are the latter. Meaning that when they heat up, they soften allowing dust particles to cling to the wax when it hardens, as it cools. This is why you have to re-wax every now and again, and in doing so you damage the paint at microscopic level - over time this increases and leads to oxidisation and damage to the paint and bodywork.

Permagard, being a polymer doesn't do this. It locks into the paint so that it acts as an inpenterable barrier to air, dust etc. As with anything, ever though it will degrade over time, even plastic degrades!

The results of a permagard treatment is that you get mirrorlike results that do last longer than any (most) other treatments. Even after 12 months the treatment will repell water like a normal wax treatment - but the glass like finish may not be as good, due to the degrading. Hense why they recommend getting the annual service done to restore it.

I can honestly say that the results of the treatment are better than when the car came out of the factory - it locks the colour in, if you know about light reflecton or refraction you'll get some idea of how this works.

Hope this helps.

 

[Cue]

Reading those links in Cues post make me even more skepitcal about it, "all my swirl marks are 97% gone, next time the guy says they should be 100% gone but .... "It takes at least four hours to apply Permagard, starting with a water-based de-oxidising agent before the secret P5000 Polymer treatment can be applied. Unlike conventional wax-based treatments there is no T-Cutting to remove oxidisation so all the original paint remains" so without any cut how does it remove swirls?

Best example is what sold me to it...

My mates dad used to clean his LS430 with washing up liquid! not bull, he had his car professionally waxed every 6 months or so but the swirls marks would always return - hense the few hundered quid to get rid of them again. He then had the permagard treatment and no word of a lie it was as though he'd had the car completely reprayed. Plus it stayed like that.... He had NOT had it resprayed, just permagarded.

When I saw it I thought it was a new car. At the time i was running a fleet car with the Supagard treatment and that let me down, big time. I thought that i'd give permagard a go - researched it as I didn't want to waste money again and thought i'd give it a go. Result = best money I've EVER spent on a car. I've had it done! I'm not commenting without experience of it like other do on some forums.

 

[JBarber]

I'm extremely tempted.

Rich, are you saying it's better to remove swirls by PC then filling? Surely PC is removing clearcoat (albeit a microscopic amount) so if you can get similar results with filling than that's better as you retain more clearcoat on the car?

 

[chiefsilverback]

I'm extremely tempted.

Rich, are you saying it's better to remove swirls by PC then filling? Surely PC is removing clearcoat (albeit a microscopic amount) so if you can get similar results with filling than that's better as you retain more clearcoat on the car?

On average car paintwork is 6 microns thick so you've not got much to play with. The Permagard treatment puts another 5 microns on top of that.

I haven't seen it but they told me that one of their customers had a deep scratch on his bonnet and after 3 years of Permagarding it is now all but impossible to identify the scratch?

For me cars are designed to be driven/enjoyed! If you are planning on using a RenaultSport properly it is going to get 'damaged' be it bugs, tar, stone chips, hedge/branch marks, car park dings etc...

I like to keep my car looking nice but I do not have time to spend Zymoling etc... Permagard gives me a showroom gloss and shine without the hours of work needed to clean it traditionally

 

[Cue]

see what it does to the half inch deep dent in my bonnet then lol.

At the end of the opinions are opinions. I've been driving cars for 13 years and have tried everything under the sun, including spending 14 hours straight treating one car to the lifestyle that only Joan Collins gets. The best by far has been Permagard. End of, as far as i'm concerned -if you want to spend your sundays cleaning & polishing your car for results that arguably aren't as good and won't last as long then good luck to ya.

The £130 i spent and 10 mins every month or so is where my preference lays. Each to their own.

 

[JBarber]

^ I agree. I think I'll treat my car for Xmas!

 

[Trophy 298/525]

Good thread guys, and I don't know who you are or what your business is like so I'm not going to pass judgement on you terrorist, apart from to say that I'd rather pay £200 for experts to treat my car than give it you to clean for nothing. I've always cleaned and polished my own cars, the Trophy came Permagarded when I bought it, having been on the car for 6 months and 1900 miles, it looked like a fresh clearcoat had been put on the car, it wasn't until I saw another Trophy that I realised what the paint normally looks like, and it didn't look half as nice. I've just paid £97 to have the paintwork and glass serviced purely to keep the warranty as it was still looking great after 11 and a half months and 12,000 miles, when I returned to the car to pick it up, it looked like a brand new car, not a mark, swirl or blemish anywhere to be seen, they even treated the plastics and tyres. If you think that I'm a mug to pay 100 squid to make my pride and joy look brand new and guarantee the paintwork against any oxidisation or blemishes for a further 12 months then it only makes me more glad I don't employ monkeys to clean my car.

 

[Rich]

I'm extremely tempted.

Rich, are you saying it's better to remove swirls by PC then filling? Surely PC is removing clearcoat (albeit a microscopic amount) so if you can get similar results with filling than that's better as you retain more clearcoat on the car?

On average car paintwork is 6 microns thick so you've not got much to play with. The Permagard treatment puts another 5 microns on top of that.

I haven't seen it but they told me that one of their customers had a deep scratch on his bonnet and after 3 years of Permagarding it is now all but impossible to identify the scratch?

For me cars are designed to be driven/enjoyed! If you are planning on using a RenaultSport properly it is going to get 'damaged' be it bugs, tar, stone chips, hedge/branch marks, car park dings etc...

I like to keep my car looking nice but I do not have time to spend Zymoling etc... Permagard gives me a showroom gloss and shine without the hours of work needed to clean it traditionally

I think the total layers of paint on a Clio is about 140 microns average, not sure on the breakdown of each layer, Brazo has measured a few with his paint gauge so am sure he will know more accurate figures.

 

[Rich]

I'm extremely tempted.

Rich, are you saying it's better to remove swirls by PC then filling? Surely PC is removing clearcoat (albeit a microscopic amount) so if you can get similar results with filling than that's better as you retain more clearcoat on the car?

The only way top remove swirls is by removing clearcoat. Filling them in means they are still there, but hidden. When the sealant wears off the swirls will be revealed again.

Removing clearcoat is not ideal but thats the only way they can be 'removed' not masked.

I would be intrested to see a permgarded car under bright Halogens etc.

 

[Anonymous]

Woohaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa where do I start.

They obviously have some good salesmen at Permagard

Cue:

Zymol does not cost £1000's, My Zymol Ital cost me £120....you try and buy it from an authorised seller for that. Its RRP is £360
Hence why my prices are cheaper then an authorised Zymol Valeter......does this mean im not as good as someone with a certificate? Or that I am not a mug paying over the top prices for something I can get cheaper elsewhere?

You may knock Supaguard, yet I have many clients who are more then happy with there treatment and i'm happy to take there money....dont ask me why they think its great thou

Yours may still 'look' polished after 8 months but so does mine after a good Klasse All In One and Klasse High Gloss Sealant Glaze. Cost for one treatment.......£3 maximum...... twice a year = £6........10 years = £60
Tha plus side is tha fact my car has the benefits of being swirl free too where as PG just masks the swirls.

I dont doubt it is better then when it came out of the factory..........hardly a mamouth task is it now:rasp:


CSB:

Numbered kits?!?! How many of these numbered kits do you think Mount Cook Airlines order to cover there fleet of planes? 4 or 5 per plane? or do you think they get it by the 250ltr barrel load?
I wonder if they notice when a couple of ltrs goes missing!

Are there any Williams H&R coilovers on ebay at the moment? Does that mean that I am lieing if I told you thats where I bought mine? However I will let you into a secret....Mine didnt come from ebay

Where did you get 6 microns from?!?

Trophy 298/525:

Your paintwork is garunteed by Renault for 12 years....why do you need PG for this?
Heres my 182 after 14 months and 21k miles before I sold it. Back then it was getting a quick wash and a wax (2in1 jobbie from Halfrauds)

Thats it for now, my tea's ready

 

[Rich]

I haven't seen it but they told me that one of their customers had a deep scratch on his bonnet and after 3 years of Permagarding it is now all but impossible to identify the scratch?

For me cars are designed to be driven/enjoyed! If you are planning on using a RenaultSport properly it is going to get 'damaged' be it bugs, tar, stone chips, hedge/branch marks, car park dings etc...

What did it do to the scratch?

Are they selling in Permagard as protecting the paint from chips etc?

if you want to spend your sundays cleaning & polishing your car for results that arguably aren't as good and won't last as long then good luck to ya.

The £130 i spent and 10 mins every month or so is where my preference lays. Each to their own.

Can see where your coming from on the time saving thing. Ideal for 99% of car owners.

But the results of a Sunday cleaning - not as good, we will have to agree to disagree on that one!

As Terrorist says it is easy to make a car look better then it left the factory, took me ages to remove the dealer/factory inflicted rotary marks out of mine. I would say my car looks a little better than it left the factory in all areas.

The main selling point being used on here is Polymers - long lasting polymer sealants are available of the shelf and can be made to last as long as the Permagard goes before requiring/getting more attention. See Klasse as above or even better Zaino.

 

[chiefsilverback]

What did it do to the scratch?

Are they selling in Permagard as protecting the paint from chips etc?

Call them up and they'll answer all your questions!

I washed No. 099 on Sunday and it went straight back to a silky smooth, shiney finish in 10 minutes!