The name is on the screenshot, Paul cant pretend he didnt think people were going to know who it was, lol
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More Issues with dodgy maps!
- Thread starter DaveB666
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The name is on the screenshot, Paul cant pretend he didnt think people were going to know who it was, lol
Clio 182 FF
Other than pricing (which can be justified by convenience, warranty, pretty website, etc.) the only issues I've ever hear of with the Dorset based company is Mapping. Other tuning (but mapped elsewhere), workshop, services, parts etc I haven't heard a bad word said about them. And I've used them for the above and would happily return.
My immediate thoughts tbh.
I didn't know why Andy was at first though
Maybe I'm just slow LOL.
Besides I didn't just mean this example, there was another thread or two started where a specialist had to fix a bad map and/or other problems.
My point is, K-Tec can't get pissy with the specialist for trying to 'ruin their business' because that specialist hasn't exactly told people who it was in the first place. Other people either know or work it out themselves.
Not as if Paul said look at this sh*t from K-Tec lol.
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172, Tiguan
Total agreement. If company A has issue with Company B then why don't they deal with it appropriately? All thats happened here is company A is trying to get one over on company B through public social media and now company B is doing the same back. I find it totally childish.
I read another facebook post about 'Oh it'll get locked on CS'. I wish people would realise what we have to deal with here. A thread such as this will get locked (and I can assure you this one will get locked at some point!!) because people insist on posting the same crap for 10, 15, maybe even 20 pages and the thread goes round and round in circles. Then you get the 'oh my best mates, wife's brothers sisters car was built by so and so in 1986 and she reckoned that bloke was rubbish. These people will be along any second now.
We've got no problem with people posting an opinion, facts, etc etc, but as soon as the thread turns into a slagging match or a petty arguement it's out of here.
I do agree that companies arguing does look bad for both of them in the long run but it must be frustrating for someone like Paul who actually knows what he is doing when people cant see the difference between his company and the likes of Ktec so I can understand why he would want to try and point out the difference between them.
Thats just life though, with an uneducated public you have little real chance of them understanding the difference between good and bad mappers, if they understood enough to tell the difference then they would probably be mapping their own cars, lol.
Thats just life though, with an uneducated public you have little real chance of them understanding the difference between good and bad mappers, if they understood enough to tell the difference then they would probably be mapping their own cars, lol.
You can't turn around and say "we have no problem with the company just that one person"
That person is employed by the company and does their mapping. The mapping is a service customers pay for from the COMPANY not from the individual.
If someone at my company was providing a poor service then that would be the companies fault for hiring them/not managing them/not checking the quality of their work etc...
So at the end of the day you are having a go at the company themselves and from a customers point of view it just looks like 2 tuning companies being petty fighting for business.
You've got to remember 90% of people that look at that map have no idea what it's showing - they just see one company winging about another - and the 10% of us that do understand that map would never have gone to that company for a map in the first place - so I'm not sure where the audience was to be honest.
That person is employed by the company and does their mapping. The mapping is a service customers pay for from the COMPANY not from the individual.
If someone at my company was providing a poor service then that would be the companies fault for hiring them/not managing them/not checking the quality of their work etc...
So at the end of the day you are having a go at the company themselves and from a customers point of view it just looks like 2 tuning companies being petty fighting for business.
You've got to remember 90% of people that look at that map have no idea what it's showing - they just see one company winging about another - and the 10% of us that do understand that map would never have gone to that company for a map in the first place - so I'm not sure where the audience was to be honest.
My biggest issue with them is the way they always try and avoid the blame and baffle customers with pseudo science, they tried to say that Ellen's map was fine when they did it and that trim tables populated since had ruined it, if they honestly believe that, do they not tell all their customers who come in that the map will only last a few hours and then be ruined by trim tables and need redoing?
And do they not understand enough about how trim tables work to realise that if the knock sensor is going nuts the entire time then its cause THEY have sent the map out the door with too much timing, or if its trimming loads of fuel out when monitoring the closed loop portion of the map its cause THEY have left that part of the map wrong in the first place?
The only reason the ecu will populate trim tables is because the map is wrong, we arent talking about adjust for minor changes in the engine over a long period here, we are talking about huge changes happening in a short space of time, if thats the case its scarey that they dont understand why, and its negligent if they do think that is happening that they dont warn every customer that its going to do so!
They are either incompetent or dishonest, I just havent worked out definitively which yet!
2003 Clio 172
I know man, I know.
I don't get it.....in the current tough world of business.....how hard is it to be super awesome with customers as they are your LIFE.
just want to kick them in the arse and say "stoppit!"
You know?
On Ellens car initially IIRC they charged her about 300 quid and she got half an hours mapping, thats a good profitable business that is! Where as doing the job properly in the first place would have taken them the 4 hours she was there when Mike made them do it properly, so instead of being able to do lots of 300 quid remaps on cars in a day they'd be lucky to do 2 if they put that much effort into each one, so I guess they would then have happier customers but a less happy company owner cause he isnt making as much money, lol.
2003 Clio 172
Clio 172
Surely with all the complaints only relating to mapping at K-Tech as te owner you'd have a chat with the guy who maps the cars. If he can't do the job right get him gone. I have empolyee's and they are expected to work to a standard, if they continually fail to meet that standard they can take their 'skills' elsewhere. Its common sense surely. K-Tech only ever get mentioned badly from a mapping point of view so do something about it.
Maybe the owner doesnt understand enough about mapping to know why these problems are happening and just keeps falling for the same psuedo science the mapper is spouting at the customer?
Also TBH you are really not spoilt for choice for people who can even do a bad job of remapping the standard ecu when looking for staff let alone do a good one, and how are you supposed to interview someone to really find out if they can or not? Not a trivial task, but I do agree with you that it does seem madness for Ktec who have an otherwise good reputation to keep letting themselves get dragged down by the terrible mapping work that keeps going out the doors.
Evo 5 RS
About time people realised its not a minority slating them and that there is an actual sodding problem with the way cars are being left when they leave them. It's not been and never will be isolated. They need to sack it off.
yeecup
ClioSport Club Member
mk8Fiesta ST,172 cup
ktec's reputation is taking a right kickin at the moment, from a mapping point of view especially. and their magical rolling road results from filters and exhausts doesnt help either. surely the owners must sit up and take notice of some of the shoddy map work being done and have the balls to do something about it before their reputation is completely ruined.
I don't want to get into any arguments here as you're right about the onslaught comments that appear. However, surely rather than deleting threads, which then won't be seen by future members, trim the thread down to the finer points, lock it and make it sticky so that members can see what companies are about and make their own judgement as to where to go to get work done.
The problem will probably never go away, but surely it'll help a bigger percentage of people on here.
Unsure, tbh once they're locked I assume some get deleted and the other's fall behind a mass of repeatedly asked question threads.
Lol good read this. Always thought ktecs power figures were 'optimistic' with their 220bhp clio 200 cam package, elsewhere identical setups are only getting 205-210bhp. Having said that all personal experiences with ktec over the years have all been positive, I've had a couple of workshop issues but they were more than happy to honour any warranty work!
End of the day all RST has achieved is a total loss of confidence in both companies as far as I'm concerned.
End of the day all RST has achieved is a total loss of confidence in both companies as far as I'm concerned.
Cant see why you would lose confidence in RST, they actually know what they are doing and I fail to see how them pointing out that someone else doesnt, changes that?
This post brought to you with a MASSIVE AMOUNT OF IRONY lol
Maybe K-Tec are too busy supporting their international race teams
ITB BG 182
The thing that gets me is how people instantly moan on this forum that they have been out done on some thing or other from a company without talking to that company a few times first.
Even when people have spoken to companies first, they play the 'im so innocent and i was nice' routine on here yet they was total w*****s about it on the phone to who ever and wondered why they got no where but they dont tell the forum of their attitude do they??
So like I said on Pauls facebook page, why not all of the so called mappers, get together for one day at ktec and show how they would live map a car? You might learn some thing but you might also improve some one aswell??
Surely there is not that many of you in the UK that map renaults?
An also like i said on facebook, I do a specific job that entails self control and how I treat others while getting a 90-100% job completion, yet i see many others within this industry that are not able to do a simple job like surveilance, do i moan to the world about it? No, I take that person aside and advise them how to improve, after all I may have to work with that person at some point.
Even when people have spoken to companies first, they play the 'im so innocent and i was nice' routine on here yet they was total w*****s about it on the phone to who ever and wondered why they got no where but they dont tell the forum of their attitude do they??
So like I said on Pauls facebook page, why not all of the so called mappers, get together for one day at ktec and show how they would live map a car? You might learn some thing but you might also improve some one aswell??
Surely there is not that many of you in the UK that map renaults?
An also like i said on facebook, I do a specific job that entails self control and how I treat others while getting a 90-100% job completion, yet i see many others within this industry that are not able to do a simple job like surveilance, do i moan to the world about it? No, I take that person aside and advise them how to improve, after all I may have to work with that person at some point.
Downright unprofessional end of the day, on Facebook of all places.
I know nothing of mapping as most potential customers wouldn't, when two of the leading companies start slating eachothers maps are dangerous how are we to know otherwise. It's all abit messy really lol. Bloody good read though!
Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
Just read that page.
Still have no idea why ktec still employ the remnants of GDI.
Still have no idea why ktec still employ the remnants of GDI.
You think those of us who know what we are doing should go and give Ktec free lessons in how to map a car?
FLOL!
Its up to them to buy the skills in not anyone else to donate them!
I think its fair enough Paul pointing out to people what shoddy work they do, so that others can avoid them, but its not upto him to go and teach them to do it properly.
Heez
ClioSport Club Member
Superleggera'd Bean
I lol'd at that. Especially the cams comment.
Optomistic is this
Love the cams comment!
Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
FailSport have one of those graphs as well:
From our revolutionary induction kit:
Takes the cold air from outside the car. Added 25bhp at Surrey Rolling Road.
ITB BG 182
Who taught Paul though?
You know it aswell as I do, people on this forum are more than willing to moan at people on the forum first before taking any route to solving it themselfs, its the typical "mummy that nasty man wont help me" balls. Everyone is claiming to be the top dog at mapping but no one is willing to prove it other than what comes from their customer based opinions from a forum.
I would like to see the complaints of service % between all the companies as I think K-Tec's would be alot less as they do a hell of a lot more cars.
Ive had problems with certain tuning companies that everyone bums on about from this forum and had a bad experience where they tried to over charge me and then didnt do work that I asked to be done ie brakes needed changing. I put it on this forum and was silenced by the mods\admin at the time.
Also when TDF came about and people banged on about them, a friend of mine came on here to seek advice and was basically told to be quite with the thread being deleted. Ive also seen it with other companies but soon them threads go missing yet ktecs?? Its double standards with alot of people on this forum.
I wish it was simple and the same for everyone but it never will be.
Very impressive. BTCC engineers will be at your door before long
Yeah ok - so in response to RS slagging them off - all they've done for the last few days is post rolling road graphs - including high power turbo ones that apparently they "just found so had to post"
191bhp from a 182 with a cheap filter and a "pro remap".
I'm out... just making themselves look stupid now
I wonder if the guy who does the mapping is in charge of their facebook page too
191bhp from a 182 with a cheap filter and a "pro remap".
I'm out... just making themselves look stupid now
I wonder if the guy who does the mapping is in charge of their facebook page too
It's the ignition map - it's 3D - engine speed against load to calculate how much ignition advance/retardation to apply
Fuel map is similar
ITB BG 182
And before anyone picks at the percentage of reviews that certain companies get on here. What happens if only the good percentage of mapping from RST and others only come on here when there could be a considerable amount more that dont come on here to moan that have had bad maps?? This forum really is small minded at times.
330i. E30 Touring.
I think it's you who's not looking at the greater picture though.
The issue of this thread isn't with how the mapping problems have been discovered, it's that they're repeated **** ups which have happened on multiple cars. So far, i've seen nothing which isn't constructive to the problem- just people asking fair questions.
I think Chip's questions of is it that the certain mapper is unaware of the problems he's caused, or if he's just been lazy/money driven.
Knowing personally how many problems have come up of late and how they've been dealt with, i'd be pretty certain it's the latter.
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