Cheap coilovers and tracks = spins!

[kevo66]

Had a moment at Anglesey on Sat, I'm thinking the rear springs are too soft.....

What options are there for harder rears?

Using these

http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=2853&appid=2

 

[Ali]

Lack of talent perhaps?

If the back end if feeling slidey then stiffening the rear will only make it worse!! Try raising the front 10mm and lowering the back a little! What pressures are you running?

 

[Revels]

Try what Ali said. But otherwise, try better suspension.

 

[Fletcher]

Personally I would save for some better coilovers.

 

[kevo66]

Lack of talent perhaps?

If the back end if feeling slidey then stiffening the rear will only make it worse!! Try raising the front 10mm and lowering the back a little! What pressures are you running?

Not really mate! I am not Nigel Mansel but I am not a noob!


We were at 25PSI on some well use R888s

The backs are as low as they will go without taking the adjusters out, could try raising the fronts though!

 

[TheEvilGiraffe]

Rear end overtaking the front, and you want harder rears ?!

Do some homework man !!!

:rasp:

 

[Dave.]

you got a rear ARB?

 

[kevo66]

Rear end overtaking the front, and you want harder rears ?!

Do some homework man !!!

:rasp:

What I was told by someone else....... hence me asking for opinions from all the "experts" the proliferate CS :rasp:

 

[kevo66]

you got a rear ARB?

Nope

 

[Dave.]

make a HUGE difference mate, but sounds a little like an internal organic component that needs some work in the car...

If your spinning your driving far and beyond your talent level!

 

[Gally]

Are they not like the cheapest coils you can buy?

Do not want.

 

[kevo66]

make a HUGE difference mate, but sounds a little like an internal organic component that needs some work in the car...

If your spinning your driving far and beyond your talent level!

Not really. I guess I shouldn't have said spin, it was a"moment" I did end up on the grass though.

If you have never had any hiccups on a track day then all credit to you mate, but if you push hard then things will happen sometimes will they not?

Vid here: About 6:20



I take it you have driven Anglesey mate? Car was twitchy on the first lap (second corner) too!

 

[jon_r]

Expensive or cheap coilovers, who cares. As if they cause a car to spin! I'll 99.9% guarantee that some other factor caused the car to spin. To high an entry speed, lifting off on turn in, braking as you're turning in, tyre pressures, moisture on the track, tyre temps etc etc. It could be anything. Unless you're half decent a driver I guarantee you you wouldn't even notice the car needed 'better' suspension.

 

[Naith]

fair play for getting out there kev and doing it. s**t happens though with the spin, i replied in your other thread.

 

[kevo66]

Expensive or cheap coilovers, who cares. As if they cause a car to spin! I'll 99.9% guarantee that some other factor caused the car to spin. To high an entry speed, lifting off on turn in, braking as you're turning in, tyre pressures, moisture on the track, tyre temps etc etc. It could be anything. Unless you're half decent a driver I guarantee you you wouldn't even notice the car needed 'better' suspension.

So you would say the cheap as chips coilies should be ok fro track use? The aim for this car was to be cheap fun but I dont want it to be cheap and s**t!!

Someone else put me onto it being the soft springs, I am not racing driver so I was seeking an informed opinion

fair play for getting out there kev and doing it. s**t happens though with the spin, i replied in your other thread.

Aye, something to do innit mate

 

[Sir_Dave]

No sound on work pc so cant tell if you lifted, etc, but, if the back end steps out the last thing you want is more hardness at the back end lol.

More hard/rear ARB, etc = more stiff = more rear end twitchy twitchy

 

[jon_r]

They obviously won't be as good as the more recognised brands, but my point was are any of us at a level where we'd notice?

I'd see what spring rates are specced on the other brands and try a set of springs close to their rate. It's all about setting the car up so you are happy with it, not what others suggest. Your driving style might not suit somebody else's preference and vice-versa.

 

[Sir_Dave]

It's all about setting the car up so you are happy with it, not what others suggest. Your driving style might not suit somebody else's preference and vice-versa.

This. x 1 million.

I like a twitchy back end. Oo-er. Others might might not.

Although i think i've found Kev's problem:

Looks like a fail moment TBH, lifted then as I got back on it went!!

Oopsy

 

[kevo66]

No sound on work pc so cant tell if you lifted, etc, but, if the back end steps out the last thing you want is more hardness at the back end lol.

More hard/rear ARB, etc = more stiff = more rear end twitchy twitchy

Hmm I guess.... I was thinking I needed to shift some weight backwards but there is nothing more I can move!

They obviously won't be as good as the more recognised brands, but my point was are any of us at a level where we'd notice?

I'd see what spring rates are specced on the other brands and try a set of springs close to their rate. It's all about setting the car up so you are happy with it, not what others suggest. Your driving style might not suit somebody else's preference and vice-versa.

Agian, fair point! Guess I'm just looking for an answer to help my ego too

 

[TheEvilGiraffe]

Car looks uber-stiff most of the time IMO ! :-S

 

[kevo66]

Although i think i've found Kev's problem:

Oopsy

fucker.... XX

 

[Nick172Cup]

Lol at cheap coilovers being the cause of spinning....

Its either damaged/broken suspension or just lack of talent(lifting off/braking too late/being ham fisted)...

 

[kevo66]

Lol at cheap coilovers being the cause of spinning....

Its either damaged/broken suspension or just lack of talent(lifting off/braking too late/being ham fisted)...

LOL, yeah yeah.. that doesnt help my ego though!!

 

[Sir_Dave]

f**ker.... XX

Tee hee xx

Rules with FWD are generally:

Understeer - lift, catch oversteer, foot in
Oversteer - keep foot in
Neither of above - keep foot in.

 

[SamP]

You missed 'dab of oppo'. Looks like you changed gear and the back got light. If you didnt have any other moments then its probably just down to that.

 

[Nick172Cup]

LOL, yeah yeah.. that doesnt help my ego though!!

Get tuition then, I was very on/off and being hot into corners when I started doing trackdays but with a few good bits of tuition and having had Tony Hunter at the last 3 trackdays have helped me no end! I now reckon I could lap quicker in standard car in comparison to what I was before being a novice with a decent setup car.

Makes your ego feel pretty good when your nailing some good lines and being smooth rather than understeering/oversteering struggling to hold the car together!

p.s. The 2 most valuable things i've probably learnt would be 'trailbraking' and 'heel-toeing', makes driving on track far easier!

 

[kevo66]

Get tuition then, I was very on/off and being hot into corners when I started doing trackdays but with a few good bits of tuition and having had Tony Hunter at the last 3 trackdays have helped me no end! I now reckon I could lap quicker in standard car in comparison to what I was before being a novice with a decent setup car.

Makes your ego feel pretty good when your nailing some good lines and being smooth rather than understeering/oversteering struggling to hold the car together!

Yeah I guess mate. Will see if I cant get to a day with someone who wouldnt mind taking me out and teaching me a few skills!

 

[Ali]

I'm with Jon on this one. The coils will not be the root cause of the issue.

Can't help on the R888 front. Doubt that'll be far off the mark tho..

Is it later on in the session that the car is going off (Can't watch the video)

 

[kevo66]

I'm with Jon on this one. The coils will not be the root cause of the issue.

Can't help on the R888 front. Doubt that'll be far off the mark tho..

Is it later on in the session that the car is going off (Can't watch the video)

Yeah mate, about 6:20 on the vid. Has a twitch on the first lap though on the big right hander.

 

[Clio-Ell]

Wasn't in gear and braking, making the rear go light.

Thats what i understand from your video.

 

[kevo66]

Wasn't in gear and braking, making the rear go light.

Thats what i understand from your video.

Was in gear, and not braking!

I think I may have lifted watching it back.

 

[Clio-Ell]

Was in gear, and not braking!

I think I may have lifted watching it back.

Atleast there was plenty run off and no harm!

 

[Ali]

Yeah mate, about 6:20 on the vid. Has a twitch on the first lap though on the big right hander.

Not an easy track...btw...So give yourself a bit of credit!

(that said i've not done it since 2003, it's changed since.

 

[kevo66]

Atleast there was plenty run off and no harm!

Aye, once I dodged the marshall post lol!

Not an easy track...btw...So give yourself a bit of credit!

(that said i've not done it since 2003, it's changed since.

TBH mate I found it harder than Oulton!

 

[Ali]

Most challanging track in the UK is Cadwell, makes sense...2nd most challenging...Thruxton!!! Only one tough corner on the track, but so hard to find time and set-ups differ month-to-month! Night mare of a track!

 

[kevo66]

Most challanging track in the UK is Cadwell, makes sense...2nd most challenging...Thruxton!!! Only one tough corner on the track, but so hard to find time and set-ups differ month-to-month! Night mare of a track!

Never done Cadwell, its on my list though!

 

[Ali]

Never done Cadwell, its on my list though!

Get insurance boyo!

 

[kevo66]

Get insurance boyo!

Thats another beauty about this car, its track only and has cost us peanuts so if we bin it... meh