Toyo Proxies T1-R 195 50 15 seem rubbish?

[burtt]

Just thought i'd share my experience with everyone with my toyo's.

Just swapped my standard 182 alloys with decent khumo's on. Drive was perfect, I could chuck it wherever I liked. I swapped to OZ f1 15" with brand new toyo t1r's all round after hearing good things, went for a drive with some much more powerful machinery to which I just didn't feel confident on toyo's at all. I usually managed before, but toyo's struggled with straight light speed and fast long bends. With the Khumo's on 16" I could go flat out round some long bends and get lift of oversteer if I wasn't careful, the toyo's just couldn't cope whatsoever, even the back end was coming out which I've never experienced much in the clio.
Not sure if I just need to wear them in a little, planning on checking the pressure later.

Is this normal? What's everyone experience with toyo's or brand new tyres?

 

[iLikeDuplo]

I swear by the Toyo's on my Williams. They're poor in the wet, but when the sun's out they're epic.
Pilot Sport 3's on the 182...

 

[Knuckles]

I've read T1Rs are top of the range budgets, from what I gather they're not amazing in terms of handling but I've never heard of anything as severe as what you're experiencing.

Lower pressures and wear them in?

 

[Dannyeff]

i had uniroyals on and they were outstanding .. the way i drive and the fact i have camber and my trackings probs out they are pretty much nearly done within 4 months. the grip is epic thought even in the wet

 

[Knuckles]

i had uniroyals on and they were outstanding .. the way i drive and the fact i have camber and my trackings probs out they are pretty much nearly done within 4 months. the grip is epic thought even in the wet

I've just had these put on the civic.

The previous Bridgestones were pitiful (se???) it'd understeer on and off the throttle. The rain sports have completely changed the ride!



It's a massive shame they didn't sort out the wallowy suspension lol

 

[burtt]

I've read T1Rs are top of the range budgets, from what I gather they're not amazing in terms of handling but I've never heard of anything as severe as what you're experiencing.

Lower pressures and wear them in?

I'll wear them in a bit, see how they do? Weather was stunning yesterday as well, so I was confused. Think i'll change them if required, they were fairly cheap as tyres go. I got them thinking they were top of the range budgets myself after reading on here how much they are rated. I'll check the pressure when before I go out later.

 

[Knuckles]

I'll wear them in a bit, see how they do? Weather was stunning yesterday as well, so I was confused. Think i'll change them if required, they were fairly cheap as tyres go. I got them thinking they were top of the range budgets myself after reading on here how much they are rated. I'll check the pressure when before I go out later.

They must need running in or something because thinking back, I've been in a 182 which was piloted quite enthusiastically and it showed no signs of wanting to kill me. Running T1Rs

 

[Logan89]

I run T1R's on my mx5 and they're great. Not as good as the Uniroyals in the wet but certainly not ditch finders.

 

[LeeRS]

I use kumho ecstas on the road. Are perfectly up to the job and certainly not ditch finders. £47 a corner at the moment.

 

[Goodj]

Proxies seem to have blu-tac sidewalls, as far as I've found.
They'll grip...to a point. At which point they just fold over and give up entirely.

This is for 205/45/16. Replaced with Eagle F1s, which was a worthwhile extra spend.

 

[TheEvilGiraffe]

Make sure pressures are right.. then re-evaluate after a couple hundred miles once the moulding compound etc has gone.

 

[burtt]

Anybody know the correct pressure for ozf1's checked round and they have 39psi! Seems way too much! Thinking 30-32 max? I'll definitely work with them for a few hundred miles though.

 

[Knuckles]

I use kumho ecstas on the road. Are perfectly up to the job and certainly not ditch finders. £47 a corner at the moment.

I had ecstas on my old 1.4, they were decent for the money... But I remember one emergency stop in which they absolutely did not want to stop! Proper s**t myself.

 

[Ex-User (19928)]

Anybody know the correct pressure for ozf1's checked round and they have 39psi! Seems way too much! Thinking 30-32 max? I'll definitely work with them for a few hundred miles though.

Pressure is specific to the tyre and weight of car rather than wheels mate. But on a 172 you're commonly going to be using 32 front 30 back with a road tyre. You might let a bit out for slicks and can put a bit more in to preserve your sidewalls on a trackday for example.

39 does sound a bit high though.

Edit: I would also add that I loathe Toyo T1Rs, they are one of the worst tyres I've had on a car, excluding the Dunlop Lemans that came on my old MX5 when I bought it, though I suspect they were fitted because drift.

If you want to go quickly, I can't recommend Pilot Sport 3s enough. They're predictable and reliable and last a relatively long time whilst giving good performance.

 

[TheEvilGiraffe]

Anybody know the correct pressure for ozf1's checked round and they have 39psi! Seems way too much! Thinking 30-32 max? I'll definitely work with them for a few hundred miles though.

Had you just driven after the car's been parked in the sun or has the car been in the shade all day and not moved..

Check it first thing in the morning.

 

[burtt]

Had you just driven after the car's been parked in the sun or has the car been in the shade all day and not moved..

Check it first thing in the morning.

Warmed up for half an hour, then drove hard from there.

 

[MarkX]

I have them on my spare wheels, worst tyres I've ever used on the road and wouldn't take them near a track. Bloody awful oo:

 

[MG cup]

Toyo t1-s and t1-r or their other budget range topping tyres need a heat cycle or two put through them first, you'll see the blue'ing of the tread edges once they've started to release the manufacturing oils.

At that stage and with the right pressure, come back and re write your review. It will have changed for sure, by no means a wet weather tyre though. Better than other budget range topping summer tyre like the Yokohama Parada's

 

[burtt]

Toyo t1-s and t1-r or their other budget range topping tyres need a heat cycle or two put through them first, you'll see the blue'ing of the tread edges once they've started to release the manufacturing oils.

At that stage and with the right pressure, come back and re write your review. It will have changed for sure, by no means a wet weather tyre though. Better than other budget range topping summer tyre like the Yokohama Parada's

Will do! thanks for the info

 

[Symon]

I have had T1-R's on a couple of cars. My Nissan 200SX and on my Fiat Bravo.
On the Nissan they seemed terrible with very poor wet grip, where as on the Fiat they seemed reasonable, but then it only had 86BHP

I wouldn't buy them again, they are an old pattern now and there are better tyres for the money.

 

[StuOwen86]

I only paid £45 a corner for my Michelin PS3 in 195/50/15 from mytyres.com and they have been great on road and on track when I've used them they are much better than the Toyo T1 I have used although they were on my r32 so had AWD too hide the poor grip you would get with only 2 wheels working.

 

[HarvB]

Never had a problem with T1R's in the wet - outright grip isn't the best, but they are very good for aquaplaning resistance and a gentle breakaway.

One thing about T1-Rs is that they have very soft sidewalls which can feel a little disconcerting at first - give them +3psi over standard and see how you feel. The soft sidewalls is the reason they're not favoured for heavy cars, but they work nicely on light cars like Clios, MX5s etc. I've had 3 sets now and they're great. Shame they're discontinued now though!

 

[Goodj]

Yokohama Parada's

Lots of road noise
Rock hard sidewalls (as above, I guess)
Woeful in damp
Attrocious in the cold
Average in general dry
Good on really hot days. But it needs to be properly midsummer hot.

 

[burtt]

Small update:
Done about 600 miles on these now, more responsive in the 'twisties'(cliosport,2015) but still struggling in a straight line. Little feeling in the front tbh. Best word to describe the feeling is spongey when twitching the steering wheel slightly in a straight line.