Can you point me to one on the Isle of Wight?
Haha
Only a quick ferry ride to Rentech though.
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Loud pop, auxiliary belt partly shredded... HELP
- Thread starter jackdaviesUK
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Haha
Only a quick ferry ride to Rentech though.
Not one spec of fluid was cleaned, he basically phrased it saying it would clear itself lol
Spot on Chip, just spoke to citizens helpline and I definitely have a case, been given a reference for him. Will pop down there in couple hours and hopefully you guys can consult my options
Good luck mate.
FF 182
Well he said the cam belt has definitely gone which confronted with the aux belt being the cause he said yes, then stumbled and said well actually I need to look further. He has cut of the aux belt but said it was extremely tight (could the tensioner of been seized or something?)
I asked him what he was going to do about it, he replied I need to look further so I just calmly left my number and told him to contact me further.
Time to build a case now I should think though? A pretty solid one at that as well. However I really don't want this idiot rebuilding my engine....
I asked him what he was going to do about it, he replied I need to look further so I just calmly left my number and told him to contact me further.
Time to build a case now I should think though? A pretty solid one at that as well. However I really don't want this idiot rebuilding my engine....
Fiesta ST2 MP215
I think it would be covered under their liability insurance, god bless the UK in having it a legal requirement to some extent, but if he doesn't fix it he can take elsewhere and get a court involved for the costs afterwards, if his negligence is proven.
You have to give him the opportunity to put right - that's his obligation as a business (either by fixing, giving to someone else to fix or giving you cash).
May not be what you want but if you say you don't want him to sort, you'll be funding the work yourself. As unlikely he'll want to pay up to £800 to someone else.
Not ideal but you seem to have tackled the situation ok so far - see what he says\offers and go from there.
May not be what you want but if you say you don't want him to sort, you'll be funding the work yourself. As unlikely he'll want to pay up to £800 to someone else.
Not ideal but you seem to have tackled the situation ok so far - see what he says\offers and go from there.
Yup you have to let him put it right or all your legal rights go out the window
I'd be suggesting that he needs to buy a £400 engine off here and drop it in for you
I'd be suggesting that he needs to buy a £400 engine off here and drop it in for you
FF 182
I'm really overwhelmed with the response I'm getting from you guys, its amazing thanks a lot.
So my options are to let him either re-build, drop another engine in or send it to a 3rd party garage billing him? And I have no say, influence or offer in what he choses to do? So I just shut up from now until he tells me how he wants to approach it?
Obviously if he doesn't want to do anything then I take him to court.
So my options are to let him either re-build, drop another engine in or send it to a 3rd party garage billing him? And I have no say, influence or offer in what he choses to do? So I just shut up from now until he tells me how he wants to approach it?
Obviously if he doesn't want to do anything then I take him to court.
FF 182
Yet again the good folk of CS come to the rescue. I think most people on here hate seeing others having bad luck with garages that dont know what they are doing.
Good luck with the car mate.
only 2 weeks old on the CS net! thanks, at least I've found out how to quote now! lol
As mentioned the biggest problem you face at this stage is if he offers to put it right, you have to let him.
And personally I wouldnt want him building an engine for me.
If you go for phil's suggestion of "buy an engine off here and get him to fit it" then the problem you have then is what if the engine you buy is no good?
Will start getting really messy then.
Sadly the bill to correct this properly, by either getting a 2ndhand engine and fitting new genuine belts and proper fluids plus labour to fit, or by fixing your engine, is potentially going to be more than your car is worth.
And personally I wouldnt want him building an engine for me.
If you go for phil's suggestion of "buy an engine off here and get him to fit it" then the problem you have then is what if the engine you buy is no good?
Will start getting really messy then.
Sadly the bill to correct this properly, by either getting a 2ndhand engine and fitting new genuine belts and proper fluids plus labour to fit, or by fixing your engine, is potentially going to be more than your car is worth.
Good summary, you are catching on fast.
Yes its up to him to rectify the problem to a satisfactory standard, and its up to him to decide how to do that, and then only option you would have then is if you feel he hasnt done it well enough would be take him to court, but it would then be up to you to prove it wasnt good enough, and so long as the car works when you get it back, you wont do.
FF 182
Yeah see, so I'm f***** either way.
For his sake he can just buy a cheap, knackered engine and jobs a good-en. Or just botch up this re-build. He won't want to go 3rd party for obvious reasons.
Cant I just pursue the court anyway getting an independent evaluation and order him to pay expenses for a 3rd party rebuild?
For his sake he can just buy a cheap, knackered engine and jobs a good-en. Or just botch up this re-build. He won't want to go 3rd party for obvious reasons.
Cant I just pursue the court anyway getting an independent evaluation and order him to pay expenses for a 3rd party rebuild?
No, you have to give him the chance to rectify the problem.
Sadly the moral of the story is use someone reputable, but its FAR too late for you to be hearing that now of course!
From his point of view and if I where him, because id already messed up one engine because I didnt know what I was doing there would be no way id want to do it again.
If I where him then id pay you off or pay one of the company's off of CS to sort it.
If I where him then id pay you off or pay one of the company's off of CS to sort it.
FF 182
Great, I'm pretty much screwed then. What an absolute ball ache c***
He obviously felt he could do it or he wouldnt have got involved, so he is probably of a different mindset to you.
Also if its a real cheapy backstreet garage he might not actually have enough money to pay for a proper repair in the first place. could easily run to 1500 quid with a specialist.
FF 182
Yep, he is one of them garages. Trusted within the family and local friends, used many times by myself. I just saw it as cheap labour to remove/replace a pipe. Oh, what an ending since 2 days ago.
Just a thought, but you may put him out of his misery by making him an offer to walk away (i.e. he pays you £X and you deal with it after that).
At the moment, he may just be thinking "how the hell am I going to deal with this" and "I've really got other work to be doing than this headache" etc.
You may lose a little financially this way but know that whatever you have done has been done correctly.
Also, ask him what he intends to do and by when - the options are fairly limited - new engine or the parts to repair, which will be much more I assume so there is not a lot for him to think about.
In the meantime, you have no car.
At the moment, he may just be thinking "how the hell am I going to deal with this" and "I've really got other work to be doing than this headache" etc.
You may lose a little financially this way but know that whatever you have done has been done correctly.
Also, ask him what he intends to do and by when - the options are fairly limited - new engine or the parts to repair, which will be much more I assume so there is not a lot for him to think about.
In the meantime, you have no car.
FF 182
I'm in Essex Chip.
Good idea is1, like I said I'm pretty screwed either way and I would rather the piece of mind that my engine will be sound again. And yes no car either so will have to get insured on my little bros car, MORE expenses. As if I'm not skint enough. Thanks for your advice.
Good idea is1, like I said I'm pretty screwed either way and I would rather the piece of mind that my engine will be sound again. And yes no car either so will have to get insured on my little bros car, MORE expenses. As if I'm not skint enough. Thanks for your advice.
If you do that, take it to mike@MWM, he'll sort it properly.
I think Chip's response stating the 2nd hand engine could be knackered and more than your car is worth is very harsh
Yeah the engine could be knackered but there's plenty of good 2nd hand engines you can hear running before you buy.
A good mate of mine ran a business for 2 years where he just bought 172/182's with snapped cambelts, bought an engine off ebay, fitted it, MOT'd the car and sold it on.
He made a great deal of money and never had any come back with any issues.
There's always inherent risks with 2nd hand parts but if you buy a running engine you shouldn't have any issues.
Yeah the engine could be knackered but there's plenty of good 2nd hand engines you can hear running before you buy.
A good mate of mine ran a business for 2 years where he just bought 172/182's with snapped cambelts, bought an engine off ebay, fitted it, MOT'd the car and sold it on.
He made a great deal of money and never had any come back with any issues.
There's always inherent risks with 2nd hand parts but if you buy a running engine you shouldn't have any issues.
182 with working engine =2K ish?
1500 quid at a specialist to fix a car that is worth a grand with a knackered engine = not viable as that is 2.5K
And yes I agree there are LOTS of good engines out there, but also there are lots of bad ones too, and how is this lad going to really know what he is getting?
Even hearing it running is no guarentee, especially if he doesnt really know what he is looking for.
Im just being realistic mate not harsh.
£1500???? how much do people charge for labour these days?
It's a £400 engine and an afternoons work
And it's also a £400 engine and an afternoons work he shouldn't have to pay for as the garage fitted a used aux belt contaminated in PAS fluid.
FF 182
What a living nightmare. Only got fully serviced with no advisories exactly 1 week ago with no more than 200 miles being driven in between. Going to send a letter of faulty goods from consumer helpline now, sooner this nob accepts liability and offers the right solution the better.
Will bare mike@MWM in mind if it gets to that point, thanks for your recommendation.
Will bare mike@MWM in mind if it gets to that point, thanks for your recommendation.
172, Tiguan
Anybody would think the F4R was a Veyron engine. Give the guy a chance to fix it first, i'm sure he's changed a set of valves before.
Failing that there's Mark Fish in Essex, or the guys in Dartford. There are very decent specialists in Sevenoaks as well, not a million miles away.
Failing that there's Mark Fish in Essex, or the guys in Dartford. There are very decent specialists in Sevenoaks as well, not a million miles away.
^^ Yup
Don't get disheartened, s**t happens and it wasn't your fault. It's not a veyron, the engines are easy to fix and cheap to buy. Give him a chance to sort it and if not mike@MWM can swap engines quicker than the Flash lol
Don't get disheartened, s**t happens and it wasn't your fault. It's not a veyron, the engines are easy to fix and cheap to buy. Give him a chance to sort it and if not mike@MWM can swap engines quicker than the Flash lol
I was giving a ballpark for a specialist to do the job properly including fitting new genuine belts etc, not to mention a new (expensive) pipe on the PAS pump that he still needs (unless he gets lucky and the new engine comes with a decent pump and pipe on it already).
but he's fixed the PAS pipe?
and if you get an engine with recent belts and receipts you don't need them
I r confused
and if you get an engine with recent belts and receipts you don't need them
I r confused
FF 182
That's cool guys, obviously everything's going to be an approximate and vary from each other. But I cant thank all of you enough for the advice and opinions that have been given, I'm very grateful. Hopefully I can get this sorted ASAP in the cheapest but best way from my pocket. I shall keep you updated if I were to need 3rd party. Thanks
FF 182
To fit a 2nd hand 66k good health lump including all new belts and vehicle recovery.. £1100 inc VAT
Repairing current engine with 73k on clock and belts needing to be changed next year.. £1000 inc VAT
Rebuild starts at £1650
This is from Engine Dynamics in Keveldon. Now I'm a complete newbie but the top 2 prices sound extremely fair.
What do you guys think? And also, I can claim for compensation in the faulty goods letter from citizens advice. Would this classify as 3rd party repair? Although ill be offering him that anyway.
Repairing current engine with 73k on clock and belts needing to be changed next year.. £1000 inc VAT
Rebuild starts at £1650
This is from Engine Dynamics in Keveldon. Now I'm a complete newbie but the top 2 prices sound extremely fair.
What do you guys think? And also, I can claim for compensation in the faulty goods letter from citizens advice. Would this classify as 3rd party repair? Although ill be offering him that anyway.
Yeah very fair prices - pretty much where I expected them to be
That would classify as a 3rd party repair yes - if he chooses not to do the work himself
That would classify as a 3rd party repair yes - if he chooses not to do the work himself
