Only if he can make it look like a JCW one! Seems a bit smaller or am I imagining that?
Might wait for one to come up on TM/MT.
Might wait for one to come up on TM/MT.
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Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
It is slightly smaller than the normal 3 spoke one - not much, but will measure them both over the weekend for you.
They do come up occasionally, but only twice in the past year on MT, one was me selling one, one involved me buying one lol.
Cheers Dave. Might have to have a closer look at Donington.
Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
So. Update time.
Went to Goodwood for Hot Hatch Sunday, had a nice drive down there, but definitely missed the diff from the GP ...
Then went to 1320 on Monday 13th for some work to be done.
Strut tops were enlarged to allow easier camber adjustment. Angle grinder FTW!!
From:
To:
Then Whiteline rear ARB fitted:
Unfortunately, on the way home, the brakes failed - not 1320's fault i might add!!
The culprit underneath the fuel tank:
Which meant a trip to Minispeed in West Byfleet for a new brake pipe & hose.
They also fitted a new handbrake cable & the rear Hardace camber arms that i bought a couple of month back:
Before "alignment" - dunno how people drive with it like this lol:
Note the toe on the passenger rear wheel. They didnt sort this in the "alignment" as they couldnt get their equipment on apparently (not sure how they did the camber then ffs), so im going to sort it out myself over the weekend, the rear camber looks more positive than -1.5 as well, so need to check that with my camber gauge ...
Went to Goodwood for Hot Hatch Sunday, had a nice drive down there, but definitely missed the diff from the GP ...
Then went to 1320 on Monday 13th for some work to be done.
Strut tops were enlarged to allow easier camber adjustment. Angle grinder FTW!!
From:
To:
Then Whiteline rear ARB fitted:
Unfortunately, on the way home, the brakes failed - not 1320's fault i might add!!
The culprit underneath the fuel tank:
Which meant a trip to Minispeed in West Byfleet for a new brake pipe & hose.
They also fitted a new handbrake cable & the rear Hardace camber arms that i bought a couple of month back:
Before "alignment" - dunno how people drive with it like this lol:
Note the toe on the passenger rear wheel. They didnt sort this in the "alignment" as they couldnt get their equipment on apparently (not sure how they did the camber then ffs), so im going to sort it out myself over the weekend, the rear camber looks more positive than -1.5 as well, so need to check that with my camber gauge ...
Brookie.
ClioSport Club Member
:grin::up:
How is the Whiteline mate? Not considered one before.
How is the Whiteline mate? Not considered one before.
Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
Actually have no idea how it drives lol, brakes failed on the way home from 1320, then ive literally only drive it 2 miles through town since!
First real hoon will be Donington, but of course Greg, no problem to take you out if you're coming!
Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
So, on Saturday Ollie82 and I discovered why the rear toe was off so much ... essentially Minispeed hadnt fitted the wheel properly, so the spigot wasnt seated correctly, but they'd gunned it on anyways, albeit only finger tight. So when the wheel turned, it wobbled from side to side, changing the camber/toe with each revolution. Really not happy, could have fallen off & killed me FFS!!
The metal ring that holds the spigot on, & how it was seated:
Damage to my wheel:
The wobble:
With this in mind, we then got the camber gauges out to check the front/rear camber that id asked them to set everything to: -2.5 front/-1.5 rear. Result (it looked off by eye in all seriousness):
Front drivers -2.3
Front passenger -1.2
Rear driver - 1.1
Rear passenger +1.0
So we re-did it to -2.0 front/-1.5 rear. Need to change the top mount screw holes in order to get more on the front, but as with other things on this car from now on, Ill be doing it myself where possible, not relying on others to do it in my lazyness. If you want a job doing properly etc.
Also changed the K&N air filter. Bit grubby lol:
Oh and fitted some Carbotech XP8 front pads.
Having finally driven it properly now, i can confirm that the Whiteline rear ARB adds a certain level of "steer from the rear", the smaller s/c belt that 1320 fitted (it was approx 1" too long previously) has definitely increased the level of boost at high revs and the XP8 squeak ALOT, seem pretty powerful though. Trackday on Sunday will hopefully be good.
The metal ring that holds the spigot on, & how it was seated:
Damage to my wheel:
The wobble:
With this in mind, we then got the camber gauges out to check the front/rear camber that id asked them to set everything to: -2.5 front/-1.5 rear. Result (it looked off by eye in all seriousness):
Front drivers -2.3
Front passenger -1.2
Rear driver - 1.1
Rear passenger +1.0
So we re-did it to -2.0 front/-1.5 rear. Need to change the top mount screw holes in order to get more on the front, but as with other things on this car from now on, Ill be doing it myself where possible, not relying on others to do it in my lazyness. If you want a job doing properly etc.
Also changed the K&N air filter. Bit grubby lol:
Oh and fitted some Carbotech XP8 front pads.
Having finally driven it properly now, i can confirm that the Whiteline rear ARB adds a certain level of "steer from the rear", the smaller s/c belt that 1320 fitted (it was approx 1" too long previously) has definitely increased the level of boost at high revs and the XP8 squeak ALOT, seem pretty powerful though. Trackday on Sunday will hopefully be good.
I love the whiteline on mine. Roundabout a couple of miles away from home is fantastic when its clear.
Looking forward to seeing yours at the weekend. Also planning on signing on as a passenger, if that's ok?
Looking forward to seeing yours at the weekend. Also planning on signing on as a passenger, if that's ok?
Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
Ha ha. I take it as a compliment!! This is a very similar car to the ShedTrophy in that respect, mechanically very good, cosmetically not so much :tearsofjoy:I actually sold all the fancy bodykit (GP bumper/aero side skirts) at the weekend as i didnt see the point in having beautifully painted bumpers/side skirts when the rest of the car simply wont be kept mint. Or cleaned. Much. That £500 will buy me 2 x Corbeau Clubsports & a trackday instead. Will probably drop to 16's as well over the winter with some A048's - like so:
Yes, its alot stiffer at the rear now, especially now ive upped the dampers from 6>9 in terms of hardness - wil probably add more at Donington depending on the conditions/how it feels. Re: passengering, ive got another 2 drivers, so more than welcome to go in with them as well if im eating a bacon sarnie/having a poo etc.
Sounds good. I'll be there all day anyway.
16s are the winners choice. I'm looking out for some wheels for winter as I don't want to get my OZ's wrecked. Probably get some hairpins as they're cheap enough.
16s are the winners choice. I'm looking out for some wheels for winter as I don't want to get my OZ's wrecked. Probably get some hairpins as they're cheap enough.
Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
So Donington was brilliant, for the 40 mins the car worked.
Unfortunately, most of the day was spent like this:
Because of this: http://www.cliosport.net/threads/melted-spark-plug-causes.762279/
Which needs i need to spend more money.
#Moneypit
Unfortunately, most of the day was spent like this:
Because of this: http://www.cliosport.net/threads/melted-spark-plug-causes.762279/
Which needs i need to spend more money.
#Moneypit
Brookie.
ClioSport Club Member
Shame mate.
It's a good job it looks cool with the bonnet up
It's a good job it looks cool with the bonnet up
Cub.
ClioSport Moderator
Sorry to see the plug issue / poor mini speed performance.
The rest of it looks great The more I see of yours the more I miss my JCW.
Looking forward to catching up at Bedford, been a while.
The rest of it looks great
The more I see of yours the more I miss my JCW.Looking forward to catching up at Bedford, been a while.
Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
Indeed it has!! Currently at a bit of a crossroads as to how to fix the car prior to that however:
Option 1 - compression test to make sure its ok after "sparkpluggate", fit new plugs/leads/coil pack, keep the GRS top mount intercooler & 450 injectors, take it to 1320, get them to sort the fueling. Cost £300 or so.
Option 2 - compression test, fit new plugs/leads/coil pack, upgrade to Airtec front mount intercooler (to reduce heat into engine), 550 injectors, Janspeed manifold & Tomcat (to get heat out of engine quicker), take it to 1320, get them to sort the fueling. Cost £1100 or so.
Theory being that Option 2 is probably a better long term solution, & will certainly reduce on track temps, but £800 buys a lot of tracktime, albeit driving around slowly driving to keep IATs down :tongueclosed:
Option 1 isn't an option.
Cub.
ClioSport Moderator
Option 2. Option 1 could result in terminal damage if it ate a plug again. Sparkpluggate v2.
Once is lucky, twice is ignorance.
Once is lucky, twice is ignorance.
Option 2, although the costs will be lower when you sell me the GRS!
182cup & 172 racecar
I can only see one option.
What's the difference in power between options one and two?
Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
Quite a big one actually as i was at 1320 all day yesterday!!
Since "sparkpluggate" i've compression tested it (160ish across all 4, so perfectly fine), then fitted new OEM ignition leads and some colder NGK BCR8ES spark plugs. Got a coil pack as well, but it wouldnt fit, so will be sending that back instead. So onto yesterday:
Got there at 9.30am, strapped the car to the dyno & Thomas removed the ecu to be read:
Engine bay needs a clean. Meh.
At this point, the ecu didnt want to be updated/read, so Thomas pulled it apart & soldered some things so that he could essentially re-boot it/wipe it/load the last tune back on & start afresh. Note the previous fixing that Richard's dad did to the board (hidden by the tape), things are never easy with this car lol:
By 11.30 ish, after much swearing, the eco was sorted & the car did a base run:
At which point the map tinkering started (took some advance out/more updates/other tinkering):
Once that was done, AFR's were sorted etc, ended up with slightly more power & torque than previously. Happy days:
And compared to my previous GP:
Once the map was sorted, the rattly cam chain tensioner was changed and it got a quick oil change.
Now all ready for Bedford on Feb 28th, just need to bolt the R888's on and go for a play!!
Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
I could be wrong, but i think its circa 15% transmission loss, so circa 225-230 at the fly i guess.
Goes ok though, lovely power curve!
Nice results, always good to see the graph curves and peaks are so similar too :]
Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
Haha, yes, is pretty good, drive like a tool in this weather and its essentially wheelspin in 1st/2nd/3rd.
Drive properly and traction is very good because of the smooth power curve, unlike the 135i which is just nothing, boooooooost, sideways.
Think im going to see how it copes with the next trackday at Bedford, then put it on a bit of a diet ... like its owner :tongueclosed:
MarkCup
ClioSport Club Member
Good to see it's all sorted Dave. What do these weigh? Also, do they have really long gearing, something like 80mph in second?
There must be a fair bit of weight to be saved, do you have any idea how much? Quite lardy cars for a small hatch aren't they.
Are you thinking all out strippage or just what you can but still keeping some luxury.
Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
Not sure on 80mph lol, but the pre-facelift is fairly long! Can be a bit irritating on the road, but on track its perfectly fine, essentially you just stay in 3rd all day long! Facelift box with LSD in the GP is much nicer in terms of ratios and cornering however. Might be an upgrade at some point, although only if the clutch etc needs doing (box change is £400 in labour alone).
Theyre about 1200kgs, so a large passenger heavier than a 182. GP is circa 1120kgs i think, so once the rear seats are removed/the fronts changed to buckets it should lose a decent amount of weight id imagine, still no clio, but much more power. Wont be going silly re: weight loss though, car lives outside, so cant be dealing with damp/condensation all over the roof etc. Quite like being able to use it normally as well, whereas the fully stripped saxo felt like driving around in a baked bean can:
