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Tour De Force Rolling Road Day Results



p@blo

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio/A3
Not really, the added extraction of heat by having the bonnet open is offset by the fact the car isn't moving through the air at speed and as such the bay has no extraction effect as it does when the car is moving at speed. Let me put it this way how do you open the bonnet on an engine dyno? ;)

Also when you have an engine package with the exhaust manifold at the rear of the bay with a variety of important and flamable bits like the brake fluid resoirvoir above it it's not a good idea to attempt to keep the heat in!!

FWIW I've ran my Clio on our road bonnet open and bonnet closed. There's no difference at all for a couple of runs.

Cheers Matt, I'm by no means having a pop it just interests me. :)

I can see how there'd be additional through flow in the sparse bay of a circuit car but would the same be expected in the crowded bay of a typical road going clio? Does the open bay not negate this effect by disproportionately feeding additional aircharge directly to the airbox that wouldn't normally occur?

Out of interest, what kind of neg press shift did you observe & from what speeds would you say it started to have a significant effect on through flow as you describe above? Granted I appreciate this would presumably be to a lesser extent on a typical road car with limited air ingress?

Also totally see your point about an engine dyno RE uninterrupted/raw output, but isn't chassis dyno output meant to give a representation that primitively factors drivetrain/air ingress (as above albeit limited) effects in situ? Appreciate your input to help us lesser mortals understand more about this Matt. :cool:
 

ForceIndia

ClioSport Club Member
  Gentlemans spec 200
That 197 is running poor - why so low? Whats up with it?

180ish is normal for 197's/200's from what I've heard. Bear in mind none of the mk3's I've driven felt as quick as my 172. Turns out that's running under 140bhp!
 
  White clique
180ish is normal for 197's/200's from what I've heard. Bear in mind none of the mk3's I've driven felt as quick as my 172. Turns out that's running under 140bhp!

its not, thats a myth (by the 182 fanbois), just look at th results out there and they are usually 185-190. Mine made 189.9 and 184 about 6 months apart. And that was on 95 RON!

Dipping below 180 is a wrongun, especially when you look at some of the other results on that list.

TBH it might be running the old, old Renault software, the regular patch update would get this where it should be. If its not that, i'd roll it off a cliff and get a Z4 instead.
 
  Mk1 F4R
I have to say it was a brilliant day and a verry good turn out, thanks to burp for the food was awesome and the guys at tour-de-force

id also like to say sorry for nearly killing everone with the smoke from my car :dapprove: needs sorting over winter
ill post some of my pics up later, didnt get a lot
 

ForceIndia

ClioSport Club Member
  Gentlemans spec 200
180-185 then. Still poor. But standard 182's aren't going to make 180 most of the time. None of them make book power.
 
  Renault 5 Turbo
yeah, matt 350`s did about that and they said his would be the cam timeing. luckily, he has another engine thats being built up so it wont be a problem for too long. his missis seemed quite happy when she found out that the spare one isnt going to be sat around for very long too lol.

Lol, she was happy to hear that it wont be leaking oil on our decking for much longer :eek:
 
197 is low Mileage (sub 20k) and was running 95ron. Other than that nothing wrong with it. Only standard 197s that make much more are on optimistic rollers imo
 
  White clique
197 is low Mileage (sub 20k) and was running 95ron. Other than that nothing wrong with it. Only standard 197s that make much more are on optimistic rollers imo

mine was on 8,500 miles with 95ron and did 189.9bhp, that was along side a whole load of other Clios getting expected results. Oddly it went down to 184bhp when i clocked up 18k.

IMO you car can do better.
 
  v6
Good vids/pics fellas :)

mine was on 8,500 miles with 95ron and did 189.9bhp, that was along side a whole load of other Clios getting expected results. Oddly it went down to 184bhp when i clocked up 18k.

IMO you car can do better.

At a different RR two 197s got 179 & 181, 172s were getting 168/9 (as expected) and an R26 got 229 (as expected)...
 
  White clique
Good vids/pics fellas :)



At a different RR two 197s got 179 & 181, 172s were getting 168/9 (as expected) and an R26 got 229 (as expected)...

There are 2 lots of 197 maps out there, the normal ones which are under powered, and those with the actis 7301 update, which Renault "should" add at service, having had the upgrade map i can sort of see why some might only be pushing 180. Without it, the car suffers badly.

Either way I'd be expecting 180 MINIMUM unless the car was sick.
 
Actis 7301 is the Cold running fix which mine rolled out the factory with. Though that is only to do with changing how the car decides which map to use, not change the maps themselves
 
That's a point Actually, most 1*2s there weren't as out the factory. Think they all had at least inlets or maps. Apart from matt350s.
 
I don't really understand the appeal of rolling road days. It seems to me that there are only two possible outcomes. Massive disappointment, or an argument.
 
Roy - People asked, and people got ;) Though have to agree with your point of view, and tbh only reason i ran my Clio is because the BMW wasn't taxed and it would have been rude not to with PFC attending!

Christopher - It is now with the extra 7bhp Matt got out of it gratis ;)
 
  LY 182
This was the first ever RR I've been too. Car's standard bar the Yozza I was just curious to how healthy it was. Not looking for bragging rights or anything. As it was, the guys found a few problems which I can now get fixed and make the car a bit better.
 
  ibiza cupra
i just did it for the hell of it, i knew more or less what it was as it had been mapped at rs tuning about a month ago. just good fun to take part :)
 
  Mazda 3 MPS Mk1
either way, dissapointment or excitement, i think its fair to say everyone had a great day, and thats what it was all about :cool:

People love the opportunity to piss on peoples chips, especially on tinternet!! :dapprove:
 
  BMW M5 & E36
I went along purely for the social, didn't even take a car of my own. Still a cracking day out, it's the people that make it.
 
  M135i
I'm gutted I forgot about this. So I made up for it by taking a trip over to Matts this evening. After sorting out the knock sensor issues, the R27 made 192.9 on the rollers. RST remap, yozza cat back and Jamsport inlets. I'm happy with that.
 
Roy - People asked, and people got ;)

LOL of course. It's not my place to say what is and isn't discussed. Simply adding my opinion, wanted or otherwise, that I personally find the whole RR thing a bit silly. Unless it's being used to specifically tune a car of course. I don't doubt that it's a good social gathering though.
 

ForceIndia

ClioSport Club Member
  Gentlemans spec 200
LOL of course. It's not my place to say what is and isn't discussed. Simply adding my opinion, wanted or otherwise, that I personally find the whole RR thing a bit silly. Unless it's being used to specifically tune a car of course. I don't doubt that it's a good social gathering though.

I imagine a few may have found unknown issues, or areas to improve following their runs?
 
  LY 182
Absolutely. I got some snacks with me but didn't even need them. Free burgers = Winnnnn! (Lovely they were too, lol).
 


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