Strange vibration?!

Owen Burnell · Feb 10, 2018

Hi guys, I bought a racing blue 182 cup last week and it has this strange thing where on the motorway when doing a steady 70ish occasionally I will start to feel a small vibration and If I accelerate it gets worse and worse and feels like the car is going to rattle its self apart but the second I let off the throttle and put my foot back on the power it’s gone! Even to the point where I can feel the small vibration starting I just blip off an on the throttle and it goes immediately. It had a new front tyre recently so I got the balancing checked on both front wheels and it’s still doing it since! Anyone experienced similar? Only thing I can think is a drive shaft?

imprezaworks · Feb 10, 2018

Was going to say maybe driveshaft.

White16valver · Feb 11, 2018

A weird kind of 'wobbling' sensation that increases as you accelerate and lets off when you come off the accelerator might well be a dry CV joint sticking-and-releasing-and-sticking-and-releasing (etc) as it rotates.

Check your CV boots and, if they're fine, it could be worth peeling them back to make sure the joints don't need re-greasing.

It's normally pretty consistent, though, so I'm not quite sure if it might be something else in your case.

Owen Burnell · Feb 11, 2018

White16valver said:
A weird kind of 'wobbling' sensation that increases as you accelerate and lets off when you come off the accelerator might well be a dry CV joint sticking-and-releasing-and-sticking-and-releasing (etc) as it rotates.

Check your CV boots and, if they're fine, it could be worth peeling them back to make sure the joints don't need re-greasing.

It's normally pretty consistent, though, so I'm not quite sure if it might be something else in your case.

Thanks for the reply, the fact it’s so inconsistent is what’s confusing me but I jacked it up earlier and noticed the inner cv boot on the drivers side has thrown all its grease out so that must be the cause of the problem. That driveshaft is bolted to the block too which would explain the vibrating of the whole car!

imprezaworks · Feb 11, 2018

White16valver · Feb 11, 2018

Cool, good investigating - hopefully re-packing it with grease will fix it!

Owen Burnell · Feb 11, 2018

I’ve got a load of upgrades and bits I want to renew on the front so just going to stick 2 new driveshafts in it while I’m at it so I know it’s all good for the future

imprezaworks · Feb 11, 2018

H&r are good for driveshafts mate

Owen Burnell · Feb 11, 2018

imprezaworks said:
H&r are good for driveshafts mate

I’m guessing you means j&r haha? Was going to ring them tomorrow as from what I’ve read there’s a couple of versions for the 182’s

imprezaworks · Feb 11, 2018

Owen Burnell said:
I’m guessing you means j&r haha? Was going to ring them tomorrow as from what I’ve read there’s a couple of versions for the 182’s

Yeah them too lol. Yours a cup (54mm) or cup packed?

Owen Burnell · Feb 11, 2018

imprezaworks said:
Yeah them too lol. Yours a cup (54mm) or cup packed?

Pretty sure it’s a cup, it’s got cup badges on the door pillars and the shock bolt spacing is 60mm

imprezaworks · Feb 11, 2018

So cup packed. The ‘cup’ has cloth trim, Manual Aircon.

https://www.cliosport.net/content/guides/Renault Sport Clio Guide.pdf

Owen Burnell · Feb 11, 2018

imprezaworks said:
So cup packed. The ‘cup’ has cloth trim, Manual Aircon.

https://www.cliosport.net/content/guides/Renault Sport Clio Guide.pdf

I’m not too sure to be honest, the interior has been changed to trophy recaros and I haven’t paid any attention to the air con haha. It’s racing blue with the cup logo either side, what does this mean in the way of driveshafts?

Owen Burnell · Feb 11, 2018

Just looked at photos, mine has manual air con and no xenons

STEVE.M · Feb 11, 2018

imprezaworks said:
Yeah them too lol. Yours a cup (54mm) or cup packed?

Cup, Cup pack & Trophy are all 60mm centre to centre of the bolts that attach the front shock absorber to the hub knuckle.
Standard 182`s are 54mm.

15mm wide ABS rings is the big give away.

Owen Burnell · Feb 11, 2018

STEVE.M said:
Cup, Cup pack & Trophy are all 60mm centre to centre of the bolts that attach the front shock absorber to the hub knuckle.
Standard 182`s are 54mm.

15mm wide ABS rings is the big give away.

Ok thanks, so the 15mm abs ring is what I need to specicify for the new driveshafts?

imprezaworks · Feb 11, 2018

STEVE.M said:
Cup, Cup pack & Trophy are all 60mm centre to centre of the bolts that attach the front shock absorber to the hub knuckle.
Standard 182`s are 54mm.

15mm wide ABS rings is the big give away.

I is tired.

STEVE.M · Feb 11, 2018

Owen Burnell said:
Ok thanks, so the 15mm abs ring is what I need to specicify for the new driveshafts?

Correct.

A word of caution, where your inner CV boot has split and thrown grease all over the back of your engine has been a problem with the RH J&R shafts with the support bearing.
Something to do with the boot being oversize/wrong spec and catching on the back of the engine block.
You could try and get a good price on a Shaftec item, R396R from a motor factor like Andrew Page, the ones on Ebay are too much.
Or you can grind the pointy bit off the engine block.
I`ll see if I can find a picture.

Owen Burnell · Feb 11, 2018

STEVE.M said:
Correct.

A word of caution, where your inner CV boot has split and thrown grease all over the back of your engine has been a problem with the RH J&R shafts with the support bearing.
Something to do with the boot being oversize/wrong spec and catching on the back of the engine block.
You could try and get a good price on a Shaftec item, R396R from a motor factor like Andrew Page, the ones on Ebay are too much.
Or you can grind the pointy bit off the engine block.
I`ll see if I can find a picture.

Ok thanks for the help! I did notice earlier that the boot is very close to the engine block! Just don’t want to spend the earth on new shafts

STEVE.M · Feb 11, 2018

Owen Burnell said:
Ok thanks for the help! I did notice earlier that the boot is very close to the engine block! Just don’t want to spend the earth on new shafts

Could be you already have a J&R shaft.
Here`s the pic I was thinking of from post 29 of the attached thread.
Genuine numbers are 82003721166 RH, 8200372167 LH, £157 I/c from K-Tec.
https://www.cliosport.net/threads/182-cv-joints.716652/

Owen Burnell · Feb 11, 2018

STEVE.M said:
Could be you already have a J&R shaft.
Here`s the pic I was thinking of from post 29 of the attached thread.
Genuine numbers are 82003721166 RH, 8200372167 LH, £157 I/c from K-Tec.
https://www.cliosport.net/threads/182-cv-joints.716652/
View attachment 1356198

Spot on cheers! Probably just grind back that bit from what I read on some other posts a minute ago

Owen Burnell · Feb 12, 2018

STEVE.M said:
Correct.

A word of caution, where your inner CV boot has split and thrown grease all over the back of your engine has been a problem with the RH J&R shafts with the support bearing.
Something to do with the boot being oversize/wrong spec and catching on the back of the engine block.
You could try and get a good price on a Shaftec item, R396R from a motor factor like Andrew Page, the ones on Ebay are too much.
Or you can grind the pointy bit off the engine block.
I`ll see if I can find a picture.

Been trying to get an answer out of j&r all day on if they actually have the correct shaft for my car as I’ve read that not only is my abs ring wider the shaft is actually longer too? Do you know if anyone with a cup has actually had a correct one from them as I’m loathed to just use their reg checker on their website as not sure if it would pick up the details of it being a cup!? Otherwise looks like Shaftec will be the way to go, do you know their part numbers to both side shafts for my car? Sorry to be a pain I’m new to all this clio stuff and just want to fix my issue aha!

STEVE.M · Feb 12, 2018

Owen Burnell said:
Been trying to get an answer out of j&r all day on if they actually have the correct shaft for my car as I’ve read that not only is my abs ring wider the shaft is actually longer too? Do you know if anyone with a cup has actually had a correct one from them as I’m loathed to just use their reg checker on their website as not sure if it would pick up the details of it being a cup!? Otherwise looks like Shaftec will be the way to go, do you know their part numbers to both side shafts for my car? Sorry to be a pain I’m new to all this clio stuff and just want to fix my issue aha!

Shaftec numbers are LH R396L & RH R396R, but unless you get someone to quote closer to the £72 I paid 3 years ago, you may as well get genuine ones for £157 from K-Tec.
£152 for Shaftec on eBay is having it away.
Someone said that at one time, J&R just sent out the same shafts for 182/182 cup with both ABS rings in the box.
@imprezaworks has a LH J&R 182 Cup shaft, but neglected to make a note of the part number.
I seem to recall that the guy at J&R to speak to is Lee.

imprezaworks · Feb 12, 2018

lol at ‘neglected’

Just ring j&r and quote the reg.

Owen Burnell · Feb 12, 2018

STEVE.M said:
Shaftec numbers are LH R396L & RH R396R, but unless you get someone to quote closer to the £72 I paid 3 years ago, you may as well get genuine ones for £157 from K-Tec.
£152 for Shaftec on eBay is having it away.
Someone said that at one time, J&R just sent out the same shafts for 182/182 cup with both ABS rings in the box.
@imprezaworks has a LH J&R 182 Cup shaft, but neglected to make a note of the part number.
I seem to recall that the guy at J&R to speak to is Lee.

I can get them for about £75-80 once I return my shafts but there isn’t a branch partially close to me, j&r won’t let me speak to anyone on the phone but has assured me that my reg brings up the right ones, and they come with both size abs rings, all I can do is order them and see I suppose

imprezaworks · Feb 12, 2018

They do send both sized rings

Owen Burnell · Feb 12, 2018

Just ordered a pair on their website using my reg, fingers crossed they’re right when I get them and can solve this issue!

STEVE.M · Feb 13, 2018

Owen Burnell said:
Just ordered a pair on their website using my reg, fingers crossed they’re right when I get them and can solve this issue!

I`m fairly sure there is no difference between the shafts of the PH2 172/182 `s except the width of ABS Rings, and the one piece RH shaft of the 172 Cup.

Shaftec no position Overall length J&R no Vehicle
R209AL LH 657 mm DS20 172 Cup (2mm difference??)
R218AL LH 655 mm DS248 172 PH2,182 7.5mm ABS ring
R396L LH 655 mm DS248 182/182 Cup 15mm ABS ring

R209AR RH 740 mm DS21 172 Cup with no support bearing
R218AR RH 730 mm DS249 172 PH2,182 7.5mm ABS ring
R396R RH 730 mm DS249 182/182 Cup 15mm ABS ring.

Essentially then, any LH shaft will fit, and any RH shaft other than 172 Cup will fit, as long as it has the correct ABS ring.

It would appear than Renault produced a multitude of part numbers for these shafts, in an attempt to discourage aftermarket copies.

Darren S · Feb 13, 2018

It does surprise me at how poor the whole driveshaft and CV boot path has been designed and manufactured. We've all suffered from split CV boots, boots coming off, grease flicked and splattered about on alloys, engine components, even disc brakes.

The 182 is the only car I've ever owned where such things are a common problem.

flebay · Feb 13, 2018

Darren S said:
It does surprise me at how poor the whole driveshaft and CV boot path has been designed and manufactured. We've all suffered from split CV boots, boots coming off, grease flicked and splattered about on alloys, engine components, even disc brakes.

The 182 is the only car I've ever owned where such things are a common problem.

Genuine Renault don't do this on the inside the only problem is the outer cv joint clips come off after many years.
This review is so funny

Karen Shepard reviewed J&R Trading Ltd – 1 star
6 July 2017 ·
Who makes JR drive shafts ? They're the weight of a small moon and once fitted you'll get more vibrations than shakin Stevens greatest hits ! If your stupid enough to think 40 odd quid buys you a decent quality driveshaft think again , buy at your peril but make sure you have comprehensive AA cover for when they do let go 2 weeks after fitting.

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Owen Burnell · Feb 13, 2018

I’ve used j&r joints and shafts on previous cars before and personally had no issues, one was even on a 250bhp Impreza wrx and didn’t feel weak or make any strange noises

imprezaworks · Feb 13, 2018

Mines been fine. On the car for over 12 months.

@Dr Jekyll
@Chris_Beer

Also proud owners too.

Jekyll · Feb 13, 2018

No complaints apart from a split cv boot gaiter. Been fine and no noises/vibrations.

STEVE.M · Feb 13, 2018

flebay said:
Genuine Renault don't do this on the inside the only problem is the outer cv joint clips come off after many years.

The OE RH item from K-Tek didn`t last 20k miles before the inner boot split!
The £72 Shaftec replacement has now outlasted it.

Chris_Beer · Feb 13, 2018

imprezaworks said:
H&r are good for driveshafts mate

Where from m9

imprezaworks said:
I is tired.

Ok fair enough your allowed to play that card now lol

As for J&R shafts... had no issues.. wish we could make a sticky about this. Been covered so many times now and @STEVE.M needs a break lol

flebay · Feb 13, 2018

STEVE.M said:
The OE RH item from K-Tek didn`t last 20k miles before the inner boot split!
The £72 Shaftec replacement has now outlasted it.

I think i'll go with Mick on this one.
https://www.cliosport.net/threads/drive-shaft-gator-replacement.794454/#post-11122372

STEVE.M · Feb 13, 2018

Dr Jekyll said:
No complaints apart from a split cv boot gaiter. Been fine and no noises/vibrations.

Which boot went? and was it covered under 2 year warranty?

Jekyll · Feb 13, 2018

The j&r passenger one.

It probably was but I needed to drive it home so I bought one from my local lyodds motor factors for £10 delivered same day. Not had an issue since.

Chris_Beer · Feb 13, 2018

STEVE.M said:
I`m fairly sure there is no difference between the shafts of the PH2 172/182 `s except the width of ABS Rings, and the one piece RH shaft of the 172 Cup.

Shaftec no position Overall length J&R no Vehicle
R209AL LH 657 mm DS20 172 Cup (2mm difference??)
R218AL LH 655 mm DS248 172 PH2,182 7.5mm ABS ring
R396L LH 655 mm DS248 182/182 Cup 15mm ABS ring

R209AR RH 740 mm DS21 172 Cup with no support bearing
R218AR RH 730 mm DS249 172 PH2,182 7.5mm ABS ring
R396R RH 730 mm DS249 182/182 Cup 15mm ABS ring.

Essentially then, any LH shaft will fit, and any RH shaft other than 172 Cup will fit, as long as it has the correct ABS ring.

It would appear than Renault produced a multitude of part numbers for these shafts, in an attempt to discourage aftermarket copies.

To add to this @STEVE.M my 172 Cup passenger shaft didn't have the big weight on like other 1*2's have. I order a genuine used item off a normal 172 thinking it would be the same but one with the weight arrived.

Unsure which is right or wrong but I seemed to believe from looking at other owners Cups that both 172 Cup shafts were unique in that respect. Clarification needed I guess, most likely exactly the same shaft length/type etc minus the weight itself

flebay said:
I think i'll go with Mick on this one.
https://www.cliosport.net/threads/drive-shaft-gator-replacement.794454/#post-11122372

That's not going to fix the OP's problem if the shaft itself is past it. He's ordered them now anyway.

Dr Jekyll said:
The j&r passenger one.

It probably was but I needed to drive it home so I bought one from my local lyodds motor factors for £10 delivered same day. Not had an issue since.

Under warranty they would of sent you a new one mate but at least it's done now anyway.

STEVE.M · Feb 13, 2018

Chris_Beer said:
To add to this @STEVE.M my 172 Cup passenger shaft didn't have the big weight on like other 1*2's have. I order a genuine used item off a normal 172 thinking it would be the same but one with the weight arrived.

Unsure which is right or wrong but I seemed to believe from looking at other owners Cups that both 172 Cup shafts were unique in that respect. Clarification needed I guess, most likely exactly the same shaft length/type etc minus the weight itself

15 years down the line, who knows what USED shaft you received.

None of the aftermarket LH shafts have the nicety of the balance weight, nor for that matter does my std non cup 172, which I am assuming is the original.

Sod paying £264 per side for Genuine 172 Cup shafts though, which is price from K-Tec.

I`ve also noticed K-Tec do not list PH1 shafts, and have read they are NLA from Renault, but J&R list DS20/21 for 2000 172 & ph2 172 Cup.

I have always been under the impression that the Ph1 subframe is 10mm narrower than ALL PH2 subframes. but 5mm per side could work if you keep to standard camber.

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