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Upgrade to Espace (2 Pot) Calipers

Discussion in 'Suspension, Brakes, Wheels, & Tyres' started by SmokeyTheBandit, Oct 5, 2012.

  1. SmokeyTheBandit

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    Re: Upgrade to Espace (2 Pot) Calipers -> Wich discs ?

    IIRC some members have used the Brembo HC discs from a Scenic 300x24mm.

    I can do these for £97 a pair posted. Will be a bit extra for postage to yourself if you are in the Netherlands.

    cheers
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    Re: Upgrade to Espace (2 Pot) Calipers -> Wich discs ?

    Seems like a very cheap way to get big stopping power. Are there any fast road/track pads for this caliper though?



    cheers, Matt
     
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    Re: Upgrade to Espace (2 Pot) Calipers -> Wich discs ?

    Any idea of the model number of the calipers?
     
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    Re: Upgrade to Espace (2 Pot) Calipers -> Wich discs ?

    6285-2 is the part number of the drivers side.
     
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    Re: Upgrade to Espace (2 Pot) Calipers -> Wich discs ?

    Afaik not. But isn't there a company which puts performance compounds on standard pad backplate?
     
  7. SmokeyTheBandit

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    Re: Upgrade to Espace (2 Pot) Calipers -> Wich discs ?

    I plan on picking them up tomorrow, so i can give you guys the part numbers of the calipers :smile:
    These are from a 3.0 v6 espace initiale from 2004
     
  8. MartinR

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    Intresting:smiley: So no need for brackets just a straight bolt on part? ifso i'm off to find some..
     
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    Re: Upgrade to Espace (2 Pot) Calipers -> Wich discs ?

    They both have the same mounting points, already measured them today at the scap yard. A direct plug and play upgrade, only thing needed are the 300mm 24mm discs from a scenic.
    But this is already been discovered by the user in the link in the 1st post.
    Allthough he didn't want to share the exact part numbers :wink:
     
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    Upgrade to Espace (2 Pot) Calipers -> Wich discs ?

    Hmm i may go scower a few scrap yards for these...
     
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    Re: Upgrade to Espace (2 Pot) Calipers -> Wich discs ?

    If you can't get decent pads what's the point? surely standard calipers with decent pads will be better?
     
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    Re: Upgrade to Espace (2 Pot) Calipers -> Wich discs ?

    Well for the ones who don't visit the track on a regular basis this is a real interesting (and extremely cheap) upgrade.
    Surely some brembo discs/pads with these larger calipers is allot better than the standard stuff ...... :blush:
    Found some "possible" decent (not track worthy) pads for these (going to check the sizes tomorrow with the ones that come out of the calipers).

    Brembo : P 68 026
    Ferrodo : FDB1124

    These should be Espace 3.0 V6 mkIII compatible according to the sites.
     
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    Re: Upgrade to Espace (2 Pot) Calipers -> Wich discs ?

    Pad Dimensions: 155.4 x 71 x 18 (156.4 x 68.5 x 18) for a espace v6 mk3 vs 129 X 55.6 X 18 for a 172
     
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    Looks awesome already, so there are more options than we initially thought ! :wink:
     
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    Re: Upgrade to Espace (2 Pot) Calipers -> Wich discs ?

    Anyone know if they fit under 15s?
     
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    Re: Upgrade to Espace (2 Pot) Calipers -> Wich discs ?

    Any pictures? Do these 'look' better/bigger?
     
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    Re: Upgrade to Espace (2 Pot) Calipers -> Wich discs ?

    I have a broken 172 (ph1) caliper i can compare it too, will post a picture this afternoon.
    But from 1st impression def. bigger/better.
     
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    Re: Upgrade to Espace (2 Pot) Calipers -> Wich discs ?

    Confirm pad dimensions when you get chance mate and i'll see what i can get hold of for these. I will be able to get the Brembo oem pads
     
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    Re: Upgrade to Espace (2 Pot) Calipers -> Wich discs ?

    Well i got the calipers and made some pictures with the part numbers for you guys.

    There a bit bigger for sure, the red is the original ph1 172 (laguna/scenic caliper) the ones on the ph2 172 are a bit different but should have the same mounting holes.

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    And most important, the proof that it fits without any modification :cool:

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    Part numbers of the left and right calipers :

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    Re: Upgrade to Espace (2 Pot) Calipers -> Wich discs ?

    Nice! Very interested in these. Any idea what discs are needed yet? Will it be a straight forward swap on the discs as well as calipers?
     
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    Re: Upgrade to Espace (2 Pot) Calipers -> Wich discs ?

    Looks an ace upgrade. Let us know how they perform. Discs look good too but aren't they 5 stud discs?
    would these need a new master cylinder or are they a bolt on work straight away part?
     
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    Re: Upgrade to Espace (2 Pot) Calipers -> Wich discs ?

    Well according to the specs it should fit.
    Clearly says : "300mm x 24mm 4 stud vented discs"


    Regarding the master cylinder, everyone i asked told me it was no problem.
    The guy from the 1st post link also said that it would work, so im going to assume its as easy as that :wink:
     
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    Re: Upgrade to Espace (2 Pot) Calipers -> Wich discs ?

    Smokey do the standard 172/182 brake hoses fit? what size wheels are/will you be running?

    Willwood 4 pots etc run the standard master cylinder so should be fine tbh
     
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    Re: Upgrade to Espace (2 Pot) Calipers -> Wich discs ?

    Just checked the hose and can confirm it fits straight on.
    Seems like these cars a ment to be paired with these calipers :smiley:
    Im running 16" F1's with spacers so enough space to fit these.
     
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    Cheers Smokey:smiley:
     
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    Thanks just as i'm about to open up a pint :cheers:
     
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    Re: Upgrade to Espace (2 Pot) Calipers -> Wich discs ?

    Reckon they will fit under 15s? The 280mm discs and standard calipers already quite a tight fit.
     
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    I think its going to be a min. of 16" with these, the difference in size is too big of an increase.
     
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    Might have to stick the turinis back on and give these a go. I find the standard breaks really suffer from fade after about 20/30mins of hard track use. Keep this thread updated on how you get on and if the improvement is worth while.

    Good find btw :clap: might of just saved me a fortune. Was gonna update the breaks over the winter, this could be the answer.
     
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    Just need pads to be confirmed and whether G172 can get them.

    Have now found 2 calipers so shall be having these also.
     
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    Re: Upgrade to Espace (2 Pot) Calipers -> Wich discs ?

    Nice ! there are a few on ebay aswell.
    Regarding the dics, read on the forum that your not realy a fan of the mtec ones ?
     
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    No not a fan mate as they are pretty poor discs tbh and crack between the drilled holes had them on my old valver.

    Personally i will be going for the brembo discs off G172..
     
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    Ok, thats makes it official -> Mtec ones off my list.
    There are also Zimmerman (German Quality) ones i only have to check what they cost and what the part number is.
     
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    Interesting upgrade, shame about not fitting 15's though.
     
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    Good upgrade for very little money!

    Looking forward to see how they perform.
     
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    isn't it just. Love the way the car handles on lightweight 15s. Gonna give it a try still, sure someone will buy the setup off me if I can't live with the 16s.
     
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    I just ordered the Brembo HC discs. Will share my findings with you guys offcourse, but it can take up to a week till i have time to mount them though :worried:.
    Its definatelly a cheap upgrade i only paid 70 pounds for the 2 calipers :smilingimp:
     
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