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How much toe out @ front?

Discussion in 'Suspension, Brakes, Wheels, & Tyres' started by The Italian, Feb 4, 2009.

  1. The Italian

    The Italian

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    How much toe out do you run at the fron of your car?

    Stock is 1mm. What do you reckon is best for the track on stock suspension?
     
  2. BIFCAIDS

    BIFCAIDS

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    toe outs for tracks with lots of strights, toe in is for tracks with lots of corners more technical than normal, im just assuming you dont know but what track is it going on you might be after the wrong thing
     
  3. izibizi

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    you got that wrong, its quite the opposite

    I use 1mm toe out dry, 2mm toe out wet

    its the back end which makes the difference
     
  4. c__w

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    Generally toe-in adds stability at the expense of some turn-in. Toe-out can make the car feel nervous (although I believe there is a little toe-out as specified at the factory) Setting to parallel is always a good safe bet!!
     
  5. The Italian

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    Agreed, toe out @ front = bettern turn in - Toe in @ front = better stability.

    But how do changes of the front toe relative to teh back make a difference?

    Example: more toe at the front vs less toe at the back. Do they both yield teh same results?
     
  6. izibizi

    izibizi

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    toeing out helps to make the car steer

    generaly 0 toe at back and 0 toe at front is best start for track work

    camber is crucial for tyre wear and handling


    My setup:
    ROAD: 1-2mm toe out with minimum camber, rears standard (toe in, -1,5° camber) predictable, safe setup, good braking and traction

    FAST TRACK: 0 (up to 2mm) toe out and -2,5° camber front and 0 toe, -1,5° camber on the back

    SLOW TRACK: 1mm(up to 3mm) toe out front, 3mm toe out back

    CLIO CUP 172 spec: front 1mm toe out -3,5° camber, back 1mm toe in, 3,3° camber

    CLIO CUP 197 spec: front 2mm toe in -3°10'' camber, back 2mm toe out -2°30'' camber
     
    Last edited: Feb 5, 2009
  7. BIFCAIDS

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    yea my bad after reading the post after yours it all come flooding back, (days of GT4 lol)
     

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